Is 7O6T operation legitimate?

I am sorry, Seamus, but you are wrong. 4X1UN is not in the online log:«4X1UN has not worked 7O6T on any band slots»
Can anybody find an Israeli station in the online log? No, I don't think the admin should remove this post. During the Cold War years the amateurs from the so-called «socialist» countries weren't allowed to work stations from South Korea. Do we return to the habits of those years???I worked 7O6T on one band, but for sure I won't try to work them again and I won't ask for a QSL card if the suppositions of 4X1UN will be confirmed. We shouldn't support any form of discrimination in amateur radio! If next time a DXpedition will have interdiction from a totalitarian regime to work US or UK, what will you say then?
Francisc, YO4PX

 

But then if you use the definition of tics, you get "uncontrolled jerks."

politics = A bunch of uncontrolled jerks

That's my 2 cents... keep the change!

 

So what do you do with people who have totals that include contacts when there was discrimination in their favor? Do you knock down their totals or give them an unfair advantage?

 

Is it because they might have a "Chip" on their shoulder?

 

I have looked all over the Israeli Ministry of Communications web site & cannot find a copy of the Israeli amateur radio regulations in English (and I cannot read Hebrew well enough to tell whether or not the MoC has the regulations available for download even in Hebrew). However, I did find a contact email for a lady in the Ministry that should be able to answer the question of whether Israel has a "prohibited" list & what countries may be on it.

I've written her an email and will post her reply as soon as I receive it (it is 8:12 PM in Israel so I do not expect to receive a reply until Friday U.S. time, possibly not until Sunday).

 

N2RJ, I think that any advantage obtained by means of discrimination is UNFAIR, because it's in the disadvantage of the discriminated party. The matter of the discrimination is more important than any "total".
YO4PX
http://yo4px.blogspot.com

 

I'm not blaming the Yemen communication authorities. And definitely not blaming the 7O6T team, the last thing I would want is to risk their lives, money or whatever for working with me.
paragraph 14 of DXCC (and Honor Roll!!!) award:
14. Each DXCC applicant, by applying, or submitting documentation, stipulates to:

a) Observing all pertinent governmental regulations for Amateur Radio in the country or countries concerned.
b) Observing all DXCC rules.
c) Being bound by the DXCC rules.
d) Being bound by the decisions of the ARRL Awards Committee.
I obey everything above.
Hope no one will argue that Honor Roll is kind of competition. Here comes the question: why I can't participate in this race despite obeying all the rules??? IF my neighbors were allowed to work with me - I would be at the Honor Roll tomorrow! BTW: we DON NOT have ANY restrictions to operate ANYONE!
Now example: K2NCC has a problem with State of Israel, but it does not refrain him from working with any Israeli amateur station, getting the QSL card and participate in this race- assuming he wish to. I do not have any problem with State of...Syria, for example, but even in theory I don not have any chance to get a QSL from there! Same as OD/HZ/EP etc. (YI9PSE improved the situation a bit ) All this is strictly in ARRL hands.
I'm just thinking out loudly and will be thankful if somebody could answer my question...

 

The sad fact of the matter is that with the exception of Egypt and Jordan, the rest of the arab countries are and have been technically in a state of war with Israel since 1948, when the UN granted Israel statehood.

 

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CONSTITUTION - BILL OF RIGHTS - DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE are the supreme law within in the USA, not international law.

 

Unfortunately, it isn't fair. If I were in your shoes, I would be grumpy as well.

Truthfully though, life isn't fair and you aren't going to change an entire institution just because a few fellers feel picked on.

We cannot ever change Yemen's laws. We SHOULD not change DXCC rules because some folks feel picked on. I have no opportunity to work a P5, and many folks have old QSOs and cards from them. Since it isn't fair that there are no hams in NK, I want P5 removed from the list?

BS7H is in the same boat.

And whatever that little island off the coast of Brazil is.

I understand that you are being prevented from working them because of a political reason, but those are the breaks. Politics are keeping me from working P5 and a list of other island and entities. I will have to wait and hope the political climate changes before I die.

Brad

 

The radio amateur community is so small that they will feel justified in ignoring the issue, without risking international prestige.

 

Regarding JY: there was a nice activity from there two years ago: JY7P. They worked with us nicely (probably in order not to create such a storm as here today) but after the DXpedition was over- they wiped ALL the 4X/4Z contacts from their logs!!! Lucky me, I have a card from JY1.
And apologies for typos in the previous post, gentlemen
73! Ilya 4Z1UF

 

Probably i missed something but... where's wrote they're prohibited to work 4X calls? Who said this?
Is it a metropolitan legend?
Many words about nothing...

By the way in Italia there was a man who said "many foe much honor" history didn't give him an "happy ending"...

 

With that I'm no longer going to waste my time trying to break their pile ups. There is no room in Amateur Radio for this kind of behavior or rule-making or whatever you want to term it. And in response to another post on this thread, in support of the Nation of Israel.
Very 73...Joe

 

It's not right. But it is the law of the land.

They break the law & get caught... if they're still in country, they face fines, jail, or worse. And the prospects for Amateur Radio operation in the future get put in jeopardy. If it gets discovered after they leave, the prospects for Amateur Radio operation in the future get put in jeopardy. On top of that, whomever is sponsoring them, or is vouching for their actions with the government & military, could also end up in jeopardy, and certainly would think twice about doing this again in the future.

Is that the image that you want Amateur Radio to leave behind? That they bend or break the rules for their own reasons?

This isn't "appeasement." This is following the law, the rules & regulations and conditions set forth for the license to be granted.

It is most unfortunate that certain governments have decided to restrict those that they license from contacting those licensed by other governments. I certainly don't think it's right. But that is the way it is.