Is 7O6T operation legitimate?

Discussion in 'Contests, DXpeditions and Special Events' started by 4X1UN, May 2, 2012.

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  1. NT2X

    NT2X Ham Member QRZ Page

    to 4X1UN: I know a little bit about what is going on (I know most of the Russian ops personally), and this is what I have to say: Non-standard situations like this one call for creative thinking. Being blunt and forthright isn't doing anyone any good. Even openly discussing it at this time, here, is not appropriate. And calling for ARRL wrath is not the best course of action, in my opinion. Yes, you have the right to be upset and insulted. But you have to make a clear choice - shut them down for good for working you (I'm certain their operation is being monitored by local authorities - one slip and it is over) or be creative and go about it your own way - I'm not telling you how and will not discuss it here. So, make up your mind - be indignant or have your cake and eat it too. The same goes to all those who scream on their frequencies and post insulting comments on packet. Just stop! This is no ordinary operation. You can ask your questions in Dayton, they are all going to be there when this is over. Scream a them there if you have to, not here! I'm also a friend, not a foe, when it comes to your country. So put on those headsets and figure out what to do next. Some of your friends already did. 73, Ed/NT2X
     
  2. K2NCC

    K2NCC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Sorry, doesn't fit. Now stop calling me a racist. Or if you must continue that rant path, do it off-thread in an email.
     
  3. W3BC

    W3BC Ham Member QRZ Page

    When I was first licensed in 1966, the FCC published a "prohibited countries list" in part 97. The wording was rather curious, along the lines of, "The following countries prohibit their licensees from communicating with United States amateurs..."

    It was a short list, and included North Vietnam, North Korea and Albanian SSR.

    The ITU does not require equality, fairness or even an Amateur Radio service in any country. Each country's communications licensing authority has a sovereign right to permit and regulate amateur radio operations within its borders.

    In the US in 1966, even though the FCC didn't prohibit me from transmitting, the government of North Vietnam prohibited its citizens from talking to me. The FCC regs warned me not to initiate communications with those countries, thus making the other governments the "bad guys."

    The ARRL, as a US corporation with legal obligations, could not promote unlawful activity and so removed the "prohibited" countries from the DXCC list during the times those governments prohibited their citizens from communicating with the US.

    My 13 year old mind pictured poor old Yorick in some dark radio cave in Albania pounding his key under the harsh light of a bare lightbulb, while a People's Army officer held a gun to his head, lest he talk with one of us dreaded Yankee Imperialists.
     
  4. K0SAV

    K0SAV Ham Member QRZ Page

    You've already shown your true colors. No use backtracking now.
     
  5. WA4HBK

    WA4HBK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Back in the late 70's early 80's Cuban stations weren't allowed to work KG4 (Guantanamo Bay) hams. We could work them but not the other way around. There was some interesting workarounds used. One being a station in the US passing a comment that the CO station was hearing me 5/9 and I would reply to the stateside station that I was hearing him 5/9 as well. Got a few cards that way. A lot of strange things happen with politics in communications. When I was in Tel Aviv to call Damascus in Syria the call was routed through an Italian carrier so the call appeared to originate from there.
     
  6. K2NCC

    K2NCC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Dude. Seriously. You don't know me well enough to say that. I don't have a problem with the Jewish people. Just Israel. That's all I'm getting into about it here.
     
  7. K2NCC

    K2NCC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Excellent level-headed post! Thanks Joe.
     
  8. K1LWI

    K1LWI Ham Member QRZ Page

    Just thinking if one guys from usa was jew would send back home ?
    K1lwi wen
     
  9. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Seriously? You're comparing a license restriction to the Holocaust? Seriously?

    The fact of the matter is that many of the nation-states in that portion of the world remain technically in a state of war with Israel. As such, they do not permit their citizens, or those non-citizens operating from within their borders with their permission, to contact what are technically considered potential hostile or enemy combatants.

    Demanding that the 7O6T operators break the law puts their own lives at serious risk, and puts at risk future operations.

    And you want them to risk prison or worse over making a QSO?

    Seriously?
     
  10. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

    The DXAC? What's that got to do with anything?

    Look, I don't like the situation either. But the facts remain that:

    (1) Yemen is a long standing DXCC entity

    and therefore

    (2) If the 7O6T meets the criteria set by the DXCC desk, under current rules, to satisfy the requirements that demonstrate they are legitimately operating with the approval of the sitting government (which you've just admitted is the case), then the operation will count for DXCC purposes.

    If you don't like the fact that there are hostilities (to say the least) between various governments in the Middle East, and want to do something about it, fine. But this won't accomplish anything.

    If you don't like the restrictions that the 7O6T ops have had imposed on them by the government, that's fine too. But don't blame them. If you don't like it, don't work them. There's plenty of other DX on the bands.

    And if you don't like the nature of the DXCC rules when it comes to political... entanglements... like this, then write up a proposal on how you'd like the rules modified, and submit it. But until the rules are changed, IF they are changed, then deal with them as they are.
     
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