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IRAQ pictures & U S Military

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  1. K3UD

    K3UD Guest

    As someone elase mentioned in this thread, It was General Sherman who uttered the the phrase "War Is Hell" (this may be a contraction of the actual words). He was correct in his thoughts though.

    All through history the SOP for getting a country ready to fight a war included defining the enemy as somehow not entirely human, and horribly evil. It works well. In some quarters the US is known as the Great Satan, The White Devils, The Usurpers, and other various phrases which foster the aims of those who would like to see us fail. (ask Usama and the others)

    During WW2 the Jews, Slavs and others were defined as sub human by the nazis, other people in Germany, and their allies which made it easier to establish and run the infamous concentrations camps.


    We did much the same thing when it came to the Japan, and while we did not engage in the horrors as Nazi germany did, it allowed us, with a clear consience, to inter most of the Japanese living on the West Coast for the duration of the war. Sometimes it works without having to fight a hot war and kill people. Remember the Evil Empire?

    Defining down human life as something other than human is the key.
    In this country, we have defined a baby in the womb as a fetus and not really human, which leads to widespread acceptance of killing the baby in and partially out of the womb for any reason or no reason at all. A Terri Shivo is defined down to sub human vegitative status, and at some point a court will likely order that she be killed.

    Absolutely nothing that is going on in Iraq is unique.

    I agree with all the comments concerning how bad the pictures (and now we will get video) look. We have very young people who will be the first to pay the price via court marshal. We also seem to have had a very broken chain of command, aparantly broken by civilian agencies like the CIA. It also seems like someone@somewhere desperatly wanted to get some unspecified information from the prisoners.

    There seems to be a lot of talk about a lower ranking soldier having a duty to disobey what they feel to be an unlawful order. Maybe the military needs to provide more training on this subject. It is difficult for me to imagine junior enlisted soldiers refusing an order from their officers or non-coms.

    everything a junior enlisted is taught revolves around following orders. Following orders saves you lif in combat as well as your fellow soldier's lives. Following orders enables us to win wars, Following orders maintains the strength and order of the unit, Following orders is demanded, otherwise you might end up with charges and waiting on a court marshal. What happens to someone who declines to follow an order because he or she thinks it is an illegal order, and it is later determined by a court that the order was in fact legal?

    What we might see next is the revalation that the orders for the photos and the treatment came from a civilian authority and not a military one. It is scary to contemplate. Something very bad happened within the chain of command... an almost complete disconnect from the bottom to the top. The commanders of that particular guard unit completely failed in its responsibilities to protect its people. This might be the greater sin and I hope that appropriate justice is rendered.

    Someone once conjectured that these things happen in the so called Fog Of War. Maybe so.

    73
    George
    K3UD
     
  2. N0OV

    N0OV Guest

    jty

    Do you have anything constructive to say?

    You're kind of losing me with your finger pointing, baby talk.

    Perhaps we could use or quick witt and keen eye over in Bagdad -- sure there's a few more guard opening in the prison :)

    hey, who knows.  Perhaps you may make a few new friends!
     
  3. VE3HBD

    VE3HBD QRZ Member

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K3XR @ May 07 2004,18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The left in this country cares more about winning back the White House than they do winning the war on terrorism.

    DAN, K3XR[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The utter hypocrisy on the part of the liberal, hate America first crowd, and their lap dogs in the main stream media. Where was the same outrage, and the QRZ post, when the 4 U.S. contractors were ambused and killed in Fallujah, their bodies dragged through the streets and hung from the bridge. Where was the outrage over the Saddam Hussien rape rooms, mass graves, his sons feeding people to lions and putting them through shredding machines.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

    AMEN
     
  4. N0OV

    N0OV Guest

    It is always interesting to see how the WORLD holds America accountable for everything at the same time they turn a blind eye to exactly what was mentioned above

    Ditto to the AMEN
     
  5. KC7JTY

    KC7JTY Banned QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC0LNU @ May 10 2004,07:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you have anything constructive to say?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    The Lord is God
    The United States is the greatest
    This problem with Iraq is only a glitch that will be resolved and the greatness of this great nation will shine through as it always does
    We are very fortunate to have as our president the honorable and distinguished George W Busch who has deceided to take on the terrorists and rid us of these unholy evildoers

    How is this for constructive? I can go on. Am I peeing downwind yet?
     
  6. G0GQK

    G0GQK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Unfortunately this is not the first time that the United States armed forces have committed crimes of this seriousness. The torture of resistance fighters and civilians took place in the Spanish American War, in Cuba. The result of US military adventures on the island led to the taking, from Cuba, of the harbour area named Guantanamo Bay, by the US Navy, now the infamous base of Camp X.

    The Navy later transported troops to the Philippine Islands, once a Spanish possession, and the Filipino resistance forces and civilians were subject to the most horrific atrocities. Please read &quot;The Philippine Massacres&quot;
    on Google for full details.

    The Islands of Hawaii were once a kingdom until the US Navy required a base in the Pacific, now called Pearl Harbor. The monarch of the islands was deposed by the US government . Please read Google for full details.

    Many of you must also know of the serious atrocities which occured in Vietnam. An incident which reputedly involved &quot;an attack&quot; on a US Navy vessel by a N. Korean vessel did not take place, but the reputed &quot;incident&quot; led to an attack by the US Navy on N. Vietnam which resulted in the Vietnam War. Please read Google for full details
     
  7. W0AEW

    W0AEW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Some of you may find this link interesting:

    http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

    This blog is written by a Baghdad resident. Since so many people are concerned with how the Iraqis feel (we're liberating them after all), perhaps this diary can give you an update. She writes quite well given that English is her second language.
     
  8. N3IJW

    N3IJW XML Subscriber QRZ Page

  9. K4UUG

    K4UUG Ham Member QRZ Page

  10. K0WVM

    K0WVM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Bottom line is that things are being taken care of through court martials and reprimands.  Do we have to keep rehashing what went on?

    People died for much worse in those prisons under Saddam.  We had Berg die a horrid death and not forgetting those 4 US contractors and all is forgotten about those incidents.

    Yet the media has this obsession with those prison scandals.  The daily reporting template is just that with the media knowing this is an election year.
     
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