Incentive Licensing Retrospective

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by K3UD, Dec 21, 2005.

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  1. N0KLU

    N0KLU Ham Member QRZ Page

    I just got to laugh, I didn't mention any names or call-signs, just that those who have their shorts so tight they talk 3 octaves too high about how those no-good no-coders are... are going to be the only ones to feel slighted or make remark that I was shooting at them... Read what I said:

    I didn't say every know-code should go to eHam.net only those who get their shorts on too tight. If you feel you fall into the first group then you should go to eHam you are not welcome anywhere else. If you know code and are sensible then you are welcome to stay. So as the old saying goes... "If the shoe fits... wear it."
     
  2. NC5S

    NC5S Ham Member QRZ Page

    For a guy who claims to be a minister, you sure have a mean spirited way about you.
     
  3. N0KLU

    N0KLU Ham Member QRZ Page

    That was "tounge-in-cheek", not mean spirited.
     
  4. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    It appears you have a very narrow definition of "radiotelegraphy". The word means more than just Morse code by continuous wave.

    I suggest you educate yourself, you can start here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotelegraphy
     
  5. AB0WR

    AB0WR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Really?

    Here's what the site says:

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    Radiotelegraphy

    Nikola Tesla and other scientists and inventors showed the usefulness of wireless telegraphy, radiotelegraphy, or radio, beginning in the 1890s. Alexander Stepanovich Popov demonstrated to wide public his receiver of wireless telegraphy signals, called lightning detector, on May, 7 of 1895. In 1898 Popov accomplished successful experiments of communication by wireless telegraphy between naval base and a battle ship. In 1900 crew of Russian battle ship General-Admiral Apraksin as well as stranded Finnish fishermen were saved in the Gulf of Finland because of exchange of distress telegrams between two radiostations, located at Gogland island and inside Russian naval base. Both stations of wireless telegraphy were built under Popov's instructions. Is is also considered that Guglielmo Marconi sent and received his first radio signal in Italy in 1895. By 1899 he did it across the English Channel and in 1902 he radiotelegraphed the letter "S" across the Atlantic Ocean from England to Newfoundland.

    Radiotelegraph proved effective in communication for rescue work when a sea disaster occurred. Effective communication was able to exist between ships and from ship to shore.

    ************************************************************

    I wonder what all of these communications used if not Morse Code on CW? I wonder how Marcony sent that letter "S"?

    (take note of the words "wireless telegraphy")



    Let's see. Your site also says:

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    Wireless telegraphy is also known as CW, for continuous wave (a carrier modulated by on-off keying, as opposed to the earlier radio technique using a spark gap).
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    Hmmmmm......


    Technically speaking, psk31 is radiotelegraphy but it is known as "psk-31". Technically speaking, Telex is radiotelegraphy, but it is known as "Telex".

    Say the word radiotelegraphy to almost anyone in the world and they will understand "Morse Code using CW".

    *EXACTLY* what did you think the ITU had in mind when they included the word "Radiotelegraphy"?

    Telex, perhaps?

    If they meant radiotelegraphy to include data modes then why did they include a separate category for data and image?

    Perhaps it would be of some benefit if you read the sites yourself.

    tim ab0wr
     
  6. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think they meant to include all forms of "words from a afar" which is the rough translation of the word "telegraphy". In 1900 that meant only Morse code by spark gap. Today that word includes not only Morse code but any of a number of means to convey text. I will admit that in common usage that "radiotelegraphy" tends to mean "Morse code by CW" but the word is used in a legal document so the legal definition would apply.

    I guess you missed this sentence in the first paragraph of the article I linked to:
    I suggest you ask the ITU, or the FCC, what is meant by the word "radiotelegraphy" in that document. I imagine they will agree with me.

    Let's assume for the moment that your interpretation of the word is correct. Perhaps it was an oversight on the recent revision of the rules that the word "radiotelegraphy" remained in the text. If that is the case then I imagine that the word will be removed once the inconsistency is brought to their attention.

    Perhaps you should contact the ITU. Either they will help you understand the meaning of the document, or they will remove the inconsistency in the next revision. I will be happy with either outcome.
     
  7. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    AB0WR,
    After my last post I just remembered that the FCC uses the ITU emission designators. I found a chart listing them in my handy-dandy Extra class study guide. The designators of interest are:
    A - manually received telegraphy
    B - automatically received telegraphy
    C - facsimile
    D - digital information
    E - voice telephony

    You should notice the ITU makes a distinction between data and telegraphy that is received manually and automatically. Text may be data but data is not necessarily text. Text can be received by ear (manually/Morse) or automatically (PSK, RTTY, etc.).

    There is no contradiction in the ITU document as you claim.
    If you still wish to "correct" the ITU on the definition of telegraphy and/or the contradiction you see in the Amater Radio Service rules then go right ahead, I'm not going to stop you.
     
  8. AB0WR

    AB0WR Ham Member QRZ Page

    I didn't miss anything. I *do* see you confusing the term "telegraphy" with "radiotelegraphy".

    Perhaps you should read a little closer.


    If you will do a little research on the issue you will find that this is NOT the case. Go find the RSGB documents that hollered about this being included when they thought it had been removed.


    I guess we'll see.


    I don't need to contact them. I already know what the intent was.

    You want it changed, YOU contact them.

    tim ab0wr
     
  9. AB0WR

    AB0WR Ham Member QRZ Page

    ROFLMAO!!!!

    Thanks for agreeing with me.

    When you show radiotelegraphy having a third character of either an A or B you have said that the ITU is saying knowledge of the theory of Morse Code is included in the ITU knowledge base for getting an amateur radio license.

    BTW, automatic reception of telegraphy DOES NOT mean "data".

    The ITU makes a separate category of "data and image". They aren't quite as stupid as you would make them out to be.

    Can you guess what A1B is?

    How about F1B?

    How about F1D?

    How about J2B?

    Are these all Radiotelegraphy?

    tim ab0wr
     
  10. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    No, I'm quite fine with how it reads.

    What's the difference between "radiotelegraphy" and "telegraphy" besides one having text sent over a wire and the other over the radio?

    I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
     
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