IARU predicts end to mandatory code tests

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  1. W4GID

    W4GID Ham Member QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">W5USB
    We look forward to seeing the story..right here on qrz.com. Florida ham BUSTED! equipment confiscated and fine levied.
    [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


    Art it will read more like this:
    "Florida Ham awarded a certificate of congradulations from the FCC for having the balls to tell it like it is.He was also awarded a exact copy of the General Lee for his efforts.Art W5USB was there to congradulate Robert K4WRI for his outstanding work.

    Now thats a headline [​IMG]


    All comments are and will always be politically incorrect and subversive.
    K4WRI
     
  2. KK7AC

    KK7AC Ham Member QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W2DUG @ July 10 2003,08:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...And yet, there are those who would "Wipe-it-Clean", and remove it from Human Knowledge. "It's just too hard, and I can't learn it" is the most FEEBLE, COP-OUT EXCUSE conceived by mankind.  Why must these people DESTROY an Estabished Past, while trying to develop an UNCERTAIN FUTURE" ?...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    You're being far too poetic.  First, no one is trying to remove code from human knowledge.  That, too, is ridiculous.  They're just talking about removing it from the test.  No one is stopping you from using code, and probably never will.  Second, how is that developing an "uncertain future"?  Since when is the future certain?  Cut out the maudlin bullsh*t; it only makes you look foolish.

    - Doug[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Another "Ole' time extra lookin" callsign W X 3 even though hes a tech.. I love the vanity pool for the techs...Makes them look "seasoned".

    anyway what in the hell is all the posts' about "Not removing the CW sub-bands", and "If you want to do code no one is stopping you" stuff?! WE KNOW! We are talking about for testing, not for using!

    We know that anyone who wants to do code still can. God knows I dont do it. And yes there will still be CW sub-bands. We want to keep it in the testing.

    Tired old argument #16......
     
  3. WA9SVD

    WA9SVD Ham Member QRZ Page

    Steve (N7NRA):

    I understand your position. I have no desire to see transmitters used by unlicensed operators. But I think a bi-level approach would be a detriment to Amateur radio; if I were a prospective Amateur Radio Operator (and think high school age students, which is when I entered the hobby) were to have to buy (even used) a receiver, and then buy a transceiver when I got my license, I would find the cost prohibitive, and be discouraged from pursuing the hobby. (Remember, a hobby is supposed to be fun; when it becomes a serious financial drain, it ceases to be fun, and is dropped as a hobby.) I was fortunate; I inherited a transmitter and receiver from my brother (who never pursued the hobby) when several years before I got my Novice license back in the old days; I listened incessantly, but I never had a desire to transmit until I had my Novice license in my hot little hand. And I never had a microphone connected to that transmitter. But I believe those that want to transmit illegally will do so, whether such radios are freely available or not. And the days of seperate receivers AND transmitters are long gone. I guess it boils down to a matter of ethics. Most know it's not legal or right to transmit without a license. Those that do don't CARE about the law. And whether or not they eventually get an Amateur Radio Operator's License, they will probably be the ones that still operate out of band, etc.
    I don't mean to make light of the problem, but I don't think regulating radio sales (how would you regulate sales by private parties?) would solve the problem.
     
  4. K1FRC

    K1FRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    I've been predicting for many years that the ITU would finally remove CW as a requirement sometime in the 00's... now it appears that my predictions will come true.

    There is good and bad in this. I got my 5wpm in 1990 so I could upgrade to tech plus, then in 98 got the 13wpm for my General. Then, they cheapened my license. Okay, the bad part (first), is that my license isn't worth what I paid for it, figuratively speaking.

    The positive aspect is that for all the 'old timers' out there who seem to think morse code proves one has more ability, is more likely to behave on the bands or in any way has a leg up on those technicians without HF privilages, the time has come to awake from your slumber. Morse code surely has and always will have a place in the amateur service, but once the requirement is removed, it will then become another ham challenge... to be able to send and receive code in one's head could be a contest point... to prove one did it without the use of computers could be something we hams could do for fun. One thing is certain, once people learn code today, the vast majority promptly forget it... using their computers to send and receive CW just as they do PSK32 or PACTOR. So, logically, if it isn't a requirement to understand the electronics & software behind these digital modes, why is it for CW, which is an equally digital mode in the purest sense?

    Our hobby must evolve to keep up with communications in use in the commercial sector if we are to attract new hams to the hobby and keep our membership in this service high enough so we don't lose our precious band allocations. We aren't going to do that if we stay stuck in the past, attracted to some sort of legacy of a colorful heritage that was amateur radio of the 50s and 60s. Wake up people. This is 2003. 8 year olds know more about chat rooms, computer software and things far more technical than learning slow CW...and don't get the idea that any of these kids will grow up wanting a QRP CW rig... ain't gonna happen. They will be attracted to a hobby which encourages a merging of computer and radio technology.

    I don't wanna hear one more arguement about the hobby ain't the same anymore, and all we hear on the bands is jibberish. Its that way because the nutballs have moved largely to SSB on all but the digital and 17 meter bands. Furthermore, many of the 'offenders' are the very old-timers which bitch and whine about removing the CW requirements. And WE LET IT HAPPEN. Wanna get away from it? Go digital or to the CW portion. There, you can call CQ and make contacts just like we did for years on SSB till it became polluted. CW doesn't have to be forced on newcomers to get them involved... and those who really wish a challenge can still learn the code and get on the radio to play.. and we'll have a better service for it.

    I vote for the ITU to get rid of the CW requirement, then the ARRL to get on the bandwagon and lobby the buraucrats at the FCC to follow suit. And lets make our exams real... include computer<=>radio technology in the examining process.. more than it is already. There's plenty of brainiacs out there chomping at the bit to create something new and exciting, and ham radio is just the place to do that.

    Steve Sawyer
    k1frc
    Memphis
     
  5. K1FRC

    K1FRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    In response to the post saying this is all BS, whining about the loss of CW and it's subbands (because I can't figure out how to use this damn quote button):

    Lets be sensible about all this.  Years ago, all the ships at sea which might have at one time or another used CW on 500 KHZ to transmit an SOS changed to satellite communications and GPS locators.  That was one major reason as to why the ITU kept CW as a requirement in the first place.  The U.S. Navy even got rid of CW in it's communications in 1992 (I know, I was headed to Navy IMCO school in '92 when it was abruptly cancelled).  

    Nobody is calling for the removal of CW.  It will always be a part of ham radio, and I predict it will be a skill that contesters and others will WANT to acquire and perfect... but keeping it as a requirement only serves to discourage otherwise well qualified prospective hams who could bring a wealth of technical experience and operating skills to the hobby.  This silly arguement has to end.  The writing is on the wall.  Technology has advanced to the point where the code is unnecessary.  Only in some 3rd world countries are computers and the necessary computer & satellite technology still not available.... and even there, those that are hams likely have the resources to get computers.

    Nobody is asking to take away the CW subbands either.  They will stay put and be shared with other digital modes.  Y'all need to get over this.
     
  6. KG4TDM

    KG4TDM Ham Member QRZ Page

    This will be of interest to those who wanted to express their opinions and concerns, for both sides of the Morse test requirement.
    This is an email I received from John C. Hennessee, N1KB
    Regulatory Information Specialist:

    <http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/07/03/4/?nc=1. The WRC-03 considered this issue on an international basis. Whether ARRL petitions the FCC regarding the code requirement would require an ARRL Board action. Now is the time to contact your ARRL Director on this matter.>>

    So, now is the time to contact your section director and voice your concerns so that they will hopefully bring it up at their Board meeting next week.
     
  7. KG4TDM

    KG4TDM Ham Member QRZ Page

    This will be of interest to those who wanted to express their opinions and concerns, for both sides of the Morse test requirement.
    This is an email I received from John C. Hennessee, N1KB
    Regulatory Information Specialist:

    <<ARRL policy is determined by the ARRL Board of Directors which meets July 17-19. Directors are elected by ARRL members in their division. ARRL HQ staff does not make ARRL policy. The WRC-03 considered this issue on an international basis. Whether ARRL petitions the FCC regarding the code requirement would require an ARRL Board action. Now is the time to contact your ARRL Director on this matter.>>

    So, now is the time to contact your Section Directors so they will hopefully voice our concerns and opinions.
     
  8. Guest

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    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KK7AC @ July 11 2003,00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another "Ole' time extra lookin" callsign W X 3 even though hes a tech.. I love the vanity pool for the techs...Makes them look "seasoned".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Tired old argument #17...... [​IMG]

    First it's misleading vanity calls, then it'll be no-code Extras, then it'll be CB anarchy.  I already completed the first step...and those Extra written answers are all memorized...just waitin' for the FCC to drop the code...

    Face it, the lids will one day rule the amateur bands, no matter how many OFs grumble about it. [​IMG]

    (And if you think I'm serious, your sense of humor is busted.)

    - Doug
     
  9. KC7JTY

    KC7JTY Banned QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cbbasher @ July 10 2003,05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, I am saying I don't believe you....and by the way, I am an Extra class. I passed the code test...why can't you ??  Oh I forgot, you already have HF priviliges on Freeband.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Its OK. Believe what pleases you. Your kind are out of touch anyway. You act like you are familiar with this "Jim" why don't you contact him for yourself, have him deny it, then I can post the G.D. E mail.
    If you are an extra class Primadona prove it. Otherwise you are in the bucket with KB9YKY. The staunch pro code no coder.
    The reason I won't sit for a code test is a matter of principal. Your principal is just the opposite....but it looks like your position is on the way out.
    KC7JTY
    BTY: Where is the other mystery man, your sidekick "radio123us"?
     
  10. KC7JTY

    KC7JTY Banned QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cbbasher @ July 10 2003,05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, I am saying I don't believe you....and by the way, I am an Extra class. I passed the code test...why can't you ??  Oh I forgot, you already have HF priviliges on Freeband.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Its OK. Believe what pleases you. Your kind are out of touch anyway. You act like you are familiar with this "Jim" why don't you contact him for yourself, have him deny it, then I can post the G.D. E mail.
    If you are an extra class Primadona prove it. Otherwise you are in the bucket with KB9YKY. The staunch pro code no coder.
    The reason I won't sit for a code test is a matter of principal. Your principal is just the opposite....but it looks like your position is on the way out.
    KC7JTY
    BTY: Where is the other mystery man, your sidekick "radio123us"?
     
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