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Huggins Did It!

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by KX4Z, Jul 31, 2019.

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  1. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    KX4O did it. He captures pactor frames off the air, and decoded two messages. This is yet another step forward. He is working through what we wrote about in Chapter 1.

    Huggins, you're a genius. People claimed it could not be done. Bright people.

    Congratulations!!
    When people begin to realze all the communications research that are possible thanks to the networked, distributed, multi-mode, over the air digital Receiver. Some electrical engineer, assistant professor, somewhere is going to realize the research and publications that are possible. Distributed receiving, diversity receiving, as has been suggested --- these can be tested through this system. The right person could publish a lot of papers out of the ham radio side of all this....real usable research.

    Gordon
     
  2. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    What our group had to do, was spoof winlink to get an over the air communication to show up on TWO stations.
    Huggins has gone to the next step: simply capture the packets, feed them to the algorithm.
    Next, someone writes the code to do what he did, in a software routine, and now you're decoding one winlink after another.
    It is embarrassing that people claimed this couldn't be done.
    Next you start dealing with the propagation issues, and networking additional stations to deal with the fading etc -- and eventually you have BETTER COPY than the intended recipient!!

    So embarrassing that anyone would claim that this was anything more than a simple engineering project.......anyone skilled in this area should know better.

    Cheers,
    Gordon KX4Z
     
  3. N3HGB

    N3HGB Ham Member QRZ Page

    So are we over the Winlink = Terrorist thing now:rolleyes:
     
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  4. ND6M

    ND6M Ham Member QRZ Page

    Just because something can be decyphered/decrypted/decoded, doesn't mean it complys with Part 97 "intent" criteria.
     
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  5. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page


    Well, anyone with normal reasoning Process But that will not stop many here, just look at the post following yours.

    If I were the WINLINK folks, I would mention what they are doing to the FBI and see if there is any interest. If there is none, that settles it, if there is interest then they become part of the defense of the nation. They should easily be able to spot any real encryption.
     
  6. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yes, I’m sure that there are tens of thousands of people whose intent is to keep their material secret, and that is why they are purposefully sending it over a system where every single email is available to be read potentially by hundreds of thousands.....

    Yes, that is precisely what I would do if I were trying to keep something secret ....

    Duh....

    Gordon
     
  7. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    This post also is now shown to be bogus....

    "So even the FCC can not unencrypt ... err "decode" the messages 100%.
    WHY all the "smoke and mirror" routine about hiding the content of the e mails?
    encrypt Vs encode,.......................... BS!" [emphasis added on word "encrypt"]

    Winlink transmissions have never been "obscured," they were COMPRESSED with a 30-year old public domain compression. Anyone bright enough to decompress them as Huggins has shown, can read them. It is time for some people to "man up" and admit they were wrong. Honorable thing to do when it is now so obvious.

    See all those uses of "encrypt?" Those are attempts to deceive. There has NEVER been encryption in the winlink system. The word was used with purpose by the writer about a system that DOES NOT ENCRYPT. Be honest folks.

    Cheers,
    Gordon
     
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  8. KA4DPO

    KA4DPO Platinum Subscriber Platinum Subscriber QRZ Page

    Get over it Gordon, PACTOR is a loser, it is message private by design, that = encrypted to almost every single ham on the air. You can call it message private, low probability of intercept, variable symbol rate coding, and half a dozen other things but at the end of the day it still boils down to, the overwhelming majority of amateurs, the FCC, and other government agencies, can not decipher it.

    You had a nice run. By.
     
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  9. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    What a joke! The very day you are proven COMPLETELY wrong....you can't even admit it...and you continue to misunderstand encryption. Have you ever read a book on the subject? Why don't you try to find a reference for your claims of encryption?
     
  10. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    Folks -- the definition of encryption is NOT what percentage of amateurs cannot decipher it.....

    It THAT were the definition of encryption.......RESISTORS and Ohm's Law are encypted!


    Some people just can't admit it. But probably most others see it pretty clearly.....it is hard to ignore.
     
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