How to identify digital modes

Discussion in 'Working Different Modes' started by M0AGP, Feb 10, 2021.

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  1. M0AGP

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    Some modes are very easy to identify by eye or because of the frequency, or by sound.

    I'm wondering if there might be a piece of software someone has written that would let you define a passband and it tells you what kind of signals are there.

    What prompted this was listening on the 10m FT8 frequency and hearing a very faint tone - noise was high enough that I couldn't tell if there was a FSK-type warble. There were no other signals on 10m in the CW/data area.

    Checking the waterfall, sure enough there was a trace that was on for just under a minute, off for a minute etc.

    I switched WSJT-X to the JT9+JT65 mode - no decode. I switched to the 60 second cycle of FST4 - nope.

    Of course it could have been a ham that was just "tuning" without any modulation, and that for 5 minutes straight kept repeating this specific pattern... but the simplest explanation is that it was a mode that is not in WSJT-X. Right?

    OR for some reason I could hear the sound faintly and easily see the trace on the waterfall, but it was not strong enough for a decode...? Sounds unlikely ...

    I guess I could install something like FLdigi and use trial and error...

    Is there an automatic digital mode detector?
     
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  2. KY1K

    KY1K Ham Member QRZ Page

    I generally look at the waterfall to figure out the mode.
    The timing and width are a good starting point.
    60 second cycle and 200hz wide is jt65, 10hz is jt9.

    If I don't recognize it, I use this website
    https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Signal_Identification_Guide

    Auto detection would be almost impossible with consumer computers (the number of different decode attempts needed per cycle) and made even worse by less than perfect noise conditions. I know SSTV has mode identified- I think my a data burst at the start? So it can be done with a limited set of options
     
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  3. K3XR

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    There are some very talented folks in our hobby on the computer/software side of things. Maybe one day a program will exist that analyzes the signal and identifies the digital mode. This would be a big help for a mode like Olivia. I noticed also that when I work SSTV with MMSSTV is does detect the format.
     
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  4. M0AGP

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    Thanks - my first guess was JT9 or JT65. Maybe it was but there was no decode for some reason...

    I like the idea of going onto a "dead" band and making contacts using very sensitive digital modes...
     
  5. KY1K

    KY1K Ham Member QRZ Page

    The 9/65 dual decode has never worked well for me.


    I have a friend that lives in a condo about 50 miles away. He does good in FT8 at the 900-1300 mile range but nothing closer.
    We were playing on 80m and I spotted him once at -24 but couldn't complete a QSO. He was simply buried in the noise.
    We switched to JT9 and the silent frequency plus narrow bandwidth made the QSO on the first try. Like -12 or so. It really shows what the crowded 3kHz does to weak signals!

    I often tune to 10,12,15 digi and send out a CQ. The dead band instantly comes alive!
     
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  6. K3YES

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    Agree with OP's inquiry and hope that some smart people might be able to figure out some kind of signal identifier software. Should someone write it, I would use it.

    But along the lines of websites to look at to identify signals, here's a vote for a site that shows multiple signals side-by-side, shows relative bandwidths, and one click leads to a sample sound file:

    http://www.w1hkj.com/modes/index.htm
     
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  7. KD9VV

    KD9VV Ham Member QRZ Page

    The sig ID link above is a great reference for ham freqs.
    That said, non-amateur signal decoding can be especially tricky; especially when one considers many non-ham digital sigs are encrypted.
    They sound normal but can not be decoded without a psuedo-random key.
     
  8. W1VT

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  9. 2E0CIT

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  10. KA2CZU

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    you're right... I think this might be the repository: https://github.com/AresValley/Artemis
     
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