Gordon, you almost have it right. Winlink has been the aggressor in all this since RM-11306. If anything the rest of hamdom has been forced to defend itself from a group that wants to turn the ham bands into a cheap knockoff of a commercial utility.Winlink isn't being forced to respond to anything, but they sure are scrambling to clean up a decades long steaming pile of abuse. Try asking Steve Waterman why he told everyone to turn off busy detection and why it's now forced in software. There's more if you care to look, and understand. The busy detect thing is actually in an FCC filing, emails from Waterman. You are still missing the intent of RM-11831, pointed out to you many times, it's not about Pactor or Winlink. If you can't understand that there's nothing else I can do to help. It's in the petition, plain language, not hidden, no reading between the lines necessary.