Here are some guying ideas that I've been kicking around: The row of examples along the top pertain to the guying of wire elements back to the spreaders and boom. The row of examples along the bottom pertain to guying the spreaders and boom to the standpipe. Anybody care to discuss pros and cons of each? My take: A - unknown. I don't know if anyone has done this. Rick from SB thinks this might put too much stress at one location on the spreaders. I think it would certainly add weight so instead, the ring would be made from plastic. Anyway, it would separate all of the guy points, which would help when tensioning individual lines. B - unknown. I would clamp a metal ring to the spreader and then the guy points would be around the metal ring. This would keep the guy points separate. The idea would be to get all of the guy lengths correct to the ring and then use a bungee to tie the ring to the spreader. Then you could adjust all wires at one time and also have some spring tension. C - This is how the guide suggests to perform the guying. This should work fine but requires expensive insulators. You still might have to untie and retension but you would do it at the insulator and not at the spreader. D - unknown. This is like C except using bungees to add spring tension. E - unknown. This would be a very useful way to guy the spreaders to the standpipe while separating the guy points. Get everything correct and then just slide the ring up or down the pole to lift or drop all 4 spreaders at one time. Secure with a bolt through the mast. F - This is how I am guying right now but it is very difficult to make adjustments to tension because the weight of the spreaders tend to make it hard to tie the knots in the correct places for tensioning. This also does not separate the guy points so it's hard to retension an individual line. G - This is how the guide recommends to perform guying back to the standpipe. Then you slide each line up or down the post to adjust guy tension. ... I am using methods C (without the insulators - just knots) and F. I don't think either method is correct for my high-wind QTH. It is very difficult to readjust tension using methods C and F. Regarding standpipe guying, I am considering replacing method F on my antenna with method E. I would drill several sets of holes in the standpipe. If the ropes stretch further, I can lift the ring and insert a bolt through a hole that is slightly higher than the last hole. Comments? Regarding wire element guying, I am considering replacing method C on my antenna with perhaps method B or A. If I went with A, I would actually install the bungies between the wires and the guy ring. Then when you slide the guy ring out towards the tip of the spreader, it tensions all wires at the same time but allows individually unique tension on each wire; each bungee can have different tension to compensate for differing wire lengths or adjusting. I love this idea but I'm sure the bungees won't last forever. You could tie a backup rope beside each bungee with more slack than the bungee; then if the bungee snaps, the wire will slacken but it will still remain connected. If I were to use method B, I would modify the method and again install the bungee cord between the wire element and the metal ring. This would work very similar as method A in the previous paragraph except that this method B uses a thin guy ring (like the ring on a hammock) and method A uses an actual mast guy ring plate (like a large flat washer with circumferential holes). The idea of individually yet properly tensioning all wire elements at the same by moving one device would be slick. Of course, if you guy everything perfectly and your knots hold properly and the rope has been prestretched and your antenna parts never shift around, you could just go per the manual and you're done. However, start adding up that you have dozens and dozens of knots to tie and with proper guy length on many segments and it becomes easy to see why you need a way to make adjustments - especially if you have a high wind QTH! Hmm... well anyway, I have 50ft of mil spec bungee cord on the way for experimentation. Comments?