I am talking 50 WPM as a start. Wonder how many are still with us. I know some are active and it's amazing to listen to them. Look at WF3T's page, he gets insulted when others think he is using a code reader Then we have W4BQF who likes Q's at 70 WPM and up, also K5TO, love it. These guys to me are amazing, and the ones who say "oh I can do that" are usually full of it and themselves. Wonder how long CW at any speed will still be a part of amateur radio, I am sure as long as I live but people like my son who thinks CW is stupid are the majority. War movies will be the only place you hear CW But for now, I still get to use my Keys.