Hf vertical without radials

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by KG5PNI, Jun 19, 2019.

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  1. K3EY

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    Honestly I wasn’t referring to the 05.

    I was going back to when you keep telling me my end-fed needs radials. The manufacture doesn’t even recommend radials on his end-feds.

    One of my good friends knows more about antennas than you’ll ever know. Graduated from CMU has a PhD and designs and builds antennas to listen to space Energy. When he was still in college he invented a yagi that looks like a sine wave which is the most efficient that can be produced.

    I spent many hours with him learning. He’s the one Who taught me what all the strange noises we hear on HF are.

    He’s a scientist, you’re not and why I can disagree with you. :D
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  2. KA4DPO

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    Do you have any idea what you just posted? Only the voltage distribution on a half wave antenna is sinusoidal, the current across it goes from flat, at 0 and 180 degrees, to a full semi-circle at 90 degrees.

    Shaping antenna elements like a sinusoid would not improve performance, about the only thing it might do is save some space. That, and I never heard of any such thing, because if it was that good, we would have been using them at Harris, and in the armed forces and DOD systems. You would see hams using them right now.
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  3. K3EY

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    You response doesn't surprise me at all and why most educated people don't engage.
  4. WF7A

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    ...though with one radial/leg, it can be entertaining.
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  5. KY5U

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    Spider with no legs is a stain.
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  6. K8XG

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    What science in that old map of ground conductivity did that come from? How was that even possible in that prehistoric age ? Really? I can tell you folks in the Pan handle of FLA have better ground than I do in the 15s shown in that map..
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  7. WZ7U

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    Vertical antennas near noise sources ARE noisy. Out in the sticks, quiet as can be.

    Choose wisely.
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  8. W4IOA

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    The temptation was great to meme this but I showed restraint since I already used it earlier.
  9. KA4DPO

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    Measuring soil permittivity is not new by a long shot. The folks at Princeton and RCA came up with some sensitive measuring techniques it the early 1920's, using radio frequency generators and very sensitive RF volt meters. You would be surprised at how much of our understanding of radio is based on work done in the early 1900's.
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  10. WZ7U

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