If logs are be default “open” to the public, then why do the FCC rules for selected other services (such as broadcasting) mandate that certain portions of the log be made open to the public? Wouldn’t that be redundant? Does it not then follow that if the rules do not mandate that logs (or portions thereof) be made public, they are private? SDR recordings from the RBN or equivalent (which are a relatively recent phenomenon) at the moment are only practical for CW and some digital modes. Not voice. (And errors can occur, especially on CW when the station sending is sending by hand) Regardless, it does not follow that all transmissions are received somewhere by a remote receiver. Furthermore, the issue is not the log of a remote station and what it receives, but the log of the station transmitting. Another argument in favor of open logs was that it would aid “research” and save the “researchers” from the hassle of requesting permission from each station to use their log as a data source. Which implies that the logs are private, and control thereof belong to the station or station owner. And why shouldn’t the owner of the log be aware of what his or her logs are being used for and why? Why would it be so detrimental for a “researcher” to ask permission? Even if that’s not required by law or standard procedure, isn’t it the proper thing to do in the first place? That many contest organizers now require one to sign away their privacy rights to enter the contest imply that those rights were there in the first place? If there is no right to privacy, then why include the stipulation? Now if someone disagrees and has no issues signing away their rights, that’s their business. I may not agree with it, but I respect someone else’s right to make a mistake. As many have pointed out in many threads, this is just a hobby for the majority of us. I simply argues against MANDATORY open logs. I believed and still believe that someone who disagrees with the concept of mandatory open logs should have the right to decline... and that right should be respected by the contest organizers. It should not be held against them. So ask yourself Rich, why did you not ever read these comments in more detail on the Contest reflector? Either from me or from others? Because they were censored. They were blocked by one or moderators from passing through the reflector. (You are aware that all messages to that reflector are moderated and must be approved, right?) You won’t read those type of comments from me in the future on the reflector either. I was informed by the moderators that either I immediately cease and desist from ALL open log discussions, or I would be permanently banned from the reflector. At the time, I thought there was enough other information on the reflector that was worth it. Considering how one-sided it has become on certain issues over the last few years, I’m not so sure, I still enjoy the competitive on-air side of contesting. I just no longer bother to send in a log. And when I get emails demanding I submit a log, they go right to the bit bucket. Much more enjoyment on the air that way.