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Ham Radio's Role in California Outages?

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by W2JKT, Oct 9, 2019.

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  1. KP4SX

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    If they are going to mandate legislation they should pony up funds so that PG&E can afford to do it. Only then could they be held accountable.
    California has so much money, I hear.
     
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  2. K3XR

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    Do you think 11 billion might have covered the costs?

    PG&E Agrees To Pay $11 Billion Insurance Settlement Over California
    Wildfires
    https://www.npr.org/2019/09/13/7604...ttlement-over-wildfires-in-paradise-and-elsew
     
  3. KA2IRQ

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    I would like to see some comments from ARES/RACES people who are actually in the affected area as to how they had to plan differently for a planned outage rather than react to an event after the fact, and if a planned power outage was actually in their response plan?
     
  4. KP4SX

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    It certainly could have helped! So let's say they spend $11 billion clearing trees but still didn't get them all or a line breaks and falls in the high winds and another fire starts. Slap them again for $11 Billion?
    The eventuality is that the people no longer have a commercial power source.
    I think they are right in covering their butts by shutting the power off. It may be an inconvenience but lives are at stake like we saw in paradise.
     
  5. K3XR

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    The point is that it's not just a failure of PG&E to keep the lines clear it was also a failure of Ca to insure they kept them clear. Legislation certainly would have been a step in the right direction. Clearly, PG&E is not paying out 11 billion because they did due diligence in maintaining their power lines.
     
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  6. K6CPO

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    This right here is the single biggest reason for the various utilities shutting off power during wind events. The California Public Utilities Commission ruled that PG&E, SCE and SDG&E could no pass the lawsuit costs onto the ratepayers, the the utilities are now engaging in the CYA act of shutting off power. I believe it began with SDG&E.
     
  7. KA0HCP

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    Today the Cal legislature is banning straws. A few years ago they decided the power companies were making too much money with integrated generation and distribution networks. So they broke up the power companies and told them to compete for lowest consumer cost.

    The result is what you see today. PG&E was forced to operate at the lowest possible cost. The biggest place to make savings is preventive maintenance and brush clearing. Fix things only when they break.

    Another California socialist legislative experiment gone wrong.
     
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  8. K3XR

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    Many posts address the results and not the cause.
    California's Devastating Fires Are Man-Caused -- But Not In The Way They Tell Us
    "…over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires, and the resulting loss of forest carbon is much greater than would occur if the forest had been thinned before fire moved through. …failing to thin leads to a greater greenhouse gas burden than the thinning created in the first place, and that doesn’t even account for the avoided fossil fuel greenhouse gas emissions due to the production of energy from the forest thinnings. In the long term, leaving forests overgrown and prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires means there will be significantly less biomass on the ground and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckd...but-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/#4a13569670af
     
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  9. WB2WIK

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    I don't know where you got your information, but it's incorrect.

    CA has four investor-owned utilities: PG&E, Pacific Power, Southern California Edison, and San Diego Gas & Electric; plus a few publicly owned ones, the largest of which (and also the largest public utility in the country) is Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power which although covering the smallest area serves four million residents.

    Nobody divided up the power companies, but they're part of the Western Interconnection grid which includes eleven states and two Canadian provinces.

    The real long struggle for utility control in CA was never electric power, but always "water," and actually still is. Folks up north are still pissed about the LADWP "stealing" their water, which isn't true since everything was lawfully done with court agreements, but they can remain pissed if they want to.:p

    Today with the Santa Ana winds that should last through Friday, it's not just PG&E cutting off power, but SCE and SDG&E are also. Highly profitable companies that don't owe anyone and aren't in bankruptcy...they're just doing it out of an abundance of caution, and a lot of this is probably needless and an amazing inconvenience for a lot of people. LADWP is the only major electric power provider who has stated they won't but shutting off anything, unless an act of nature actually damages stuff and they have to shut off to make repairs. They have a "promise" up on line that any repairs needed will be performed "immediately," and no outage would exceed 24 hours -- still a very long time, but hopefully won't happen.
     
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  10. ND6M

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    Well, thats just a side effect of the "feel good" laws in Ca.

    Laws/excessive regulations against prescribed burns.......... (they pollute the air)

    Laws/excessive regulations against manual brush clearing..... ( endangered species might get harmed)

    Laws against using state monies on private land , and yet, they file lawsuits when the public land burns .

    Just plant ice plant everywhere..... problem solved (people that have never been to SoCal might not understand this).

    Bottom Line: most of (Southern ) Ca is a semi arid desert, that is overpopulated compared to the natural environment.
    If it wasn't for the water coming from the Colorado river via the All America canal, L.A. and all of the Imperial valley would be a dust bowl.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019
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