Ham Radio 360: NPOTA recap with Stuart KB1HQS

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  1. K2FI

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    I had special QSLs made up for my activations of NP23/PK03, but otherwise used my normal cards for the Long Island activations. (I love getting cards and I'll usually send one even if I confirm on LOTW or QRZ)

    Paper log in the field, transfer to LOTW when I got home. I do most of my home logging on my phone, which just exports an ADIF for LOTW and QRZ.
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  2. K4CDN

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    so, did you guys enjoy the podcast?
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  3. W1YW

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    Oh yes:

    Reminded me its time to get...

    OUT THERE :)
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  4. KW0U

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    First, my sincere thanks to everyone who took the time and trouble to activate QTHs during this fun event. And for us chasers it was a wonderful way to get to know the USA better.

    Regarding QSLs, I did not know who had special ones, so asked for very few. Writing to everyone would have been time consuming and expensive. It would have been helpful if there was some way of knowing who had produced ones for NPOTA. Perhaps the ARRL could have a page showing some? In any case that's a pretty small issue.

    I have mixed feelings about the LOTW process. Once I got used to it this is an easy way to keep up with contacts, and it cost nothing. But it is so impersonal! Yesterday I worked a rare prefix and within a few hours the manager kindly put it into my LOTW list. So I recorded and printed out the report for my QSL box. Fast, but not the thrill of getting a real card in the mail. Oh well.

    For what it is worth, I worked 194 NPOTA stations and have LOTW confirmations from 151 (although the window is open until the end of the month). If that is typical than about a quarter of all stations didn't use the system. (Actually it is higher since many of my confirmed QSOs were with the same activators in different locations.) I don't know if as people many would have responded to paper QSLs with SASEs, but it is disappointing to see the number who apparently do not confirm contacts. What is the point of their even doing the activations?
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  5. K6DS

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    "I don't understand why any ham would refuse to use it other than their own refusal to enter the 21st century."

    Probably because many hams like me have worked many hundreds of contacts long before LOTW ever existed. I tried it with my contacts and although I have 204 confirmed (with cards) countries on 10 meters with a DXCC and endorsement on 10, and with DXCC with endorsement for 227 Mixed confirmed combined. When I did LOTW, I ended up with a total confirmed of 36 countries. So, I take issue with you sarcastically deriding what turns out to be some of the older hams. Will wait for you apology.
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  6. W0IS

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    That's a surprisingly high percentage that didn't confirm. The vast majority of the activators I worked did confirm. I don't have any easy way to look up the numbers, but it was well over 90%. You might want to try e-mailing some of them and ask them to check their log. With that high a percentage unconfirmed, I'm wondering if maybe some of your times or dates were off or something like that.

    I checked my log and didn't see your call. If you think you worked W0IS, please let me know, since it's quite possible that I busted your call.

    Probably about 1/4 of the chasers I worked never uploaded. That's not a particular problem. They just wanted to work me for whatever reason, and it doesn't really matter to the activator whether they confirmed, unless it was for a new state I needed or something. And since most of my activations were on 40 and 20, there's really nothing new I need on those bands.
  7. KN6Q

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    I agree, that's a surprisingly high percentage that didn't confirm. There was one guy who did an activation in our club fairly early that didn't understand the LoTW requirement. He got e-mailed by Chasers asking him when he was going to confirm on LoTW, so he went to the Club and asked for help getting setup because he couldn't get it working on his Mac. A couple of guys helped him and he got setup.

    I would reach out to them on e-mail. Most of the activators are more than happy to fix busted calls or you may be able to help someone that didn't know they needed LoTW,
  8. W0PV

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    I am ambivalent about LOTW too. The complicated log data signing" batch process, one-way transfer and no interactive online edit possible. Compared to eQSL or ClubLog, why is the integrity of an ARRL electronic "QSL" to be perceived as so more valuable? Other then it possibly being a faster cheaper track to verification for various ARRL awards.

    FYI - I was just told a technical reason why a lot of NPOTA QSO's may not be appearing in the records. My NPOTA Chaser total reported on the official web page has actually been SHRINKING! At peak I had 322 and now its going backwards! WTF?

    So I emailed and asked for an explanation, and received a response from Radiosport Dept Manager Norm W3IZ. Apparently some NPOTA Activators are making errors and uploading overlapping duplicate QSO data that does not designate the park, which is a field and/or station selection in TQSL. The way LOTW works, that newer but incomplete data then supersedes the original QSO, and then apparently causing the NPOTA system to make deduction(s)!

    This could also happen on the first upload, IF the Activator did not put the park data into TQSL. That can be checked easily by just looking to see if some of your missing NPOTA QSO's show up with LOTW QSL's but are not credited for the park in the NPOTA system.

    Norm explained that this has been discussed extensively on the NPOTA Facebook pages. BUT as I told him, not everyone subscribes to FB! (like me ;-) Perhaps the ARRL could issue a real BULLETIN to prevent, stop, and recover this before the event conclusion ....

    73 de John WØPV
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2017
  9. KN6Q

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    I did. Good to hear Stuart.
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