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FT8 TEST on air "DXpedition Mode" on 6 and 7 March !

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by IW2BSF, Mar 2, 2018.

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  1. AA5AZ

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    I've been reading some comments. I am not a regular to reply to such, but I'll bite today.

    • "I'm not into just filling logbooks and I don't enjoy this because that seems to be what is going on here."
      • My Reply: I am into filling logbooks and if I wanted a conversation, I'd be on phone.
    • "But having two computers slam at each other in almost full automation for hours on end until the log book fills is just not amateur radio - it's logbook automation."
      • This person has not spent time with FT-8 and it's obvious. If you have spent time with FT-8, you will notice that a) it isn't fully automated b) there is a distinct technique to getting a station to here you (running split, alternating your TX freq to they will more than likely see you, etc), c) FT-8 can be run in a near automated mode, but there is still a lot of attention a person must give to be successful.
    • "We are here to have fun with ham radio. Contesting is not fun for us"
      • Just go away. Do something else you enjoy in this amazing hobby and leave others alone. I don't enjoy rag chewing on a HT, but others find great joy in that and I would never criticize it.
    • "As far as we are concerned, it (contesting) serves no useful purpose. So, we don't participate"
      • Our EMComm Association uses contesting to practice for setup and breakdown of Field Days and in the field operating. It keeps us sharp and it also keeps us familiar with one another to the point where we know what each other need in the field when we need it and we know how to assist one another. Contesting is good practice.
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  2. KV6O

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    I am amazed at how many people seem to think that their way of enjoying the hobby is the only, righteous way, and everyone else is wrong.

    Huh, sounds like religion... :rolleyes:
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  3. K4AGO

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    It appears that the only thing sharp about you is your sarcasm and your denigration of others who have a valid opinion that just happens to differ from your opinion. Why don't YOU "Just go away!"
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  4. AA5AZ

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    No, you're incorrect. I told you I don't care what type of mode or experience you enjoy in this hobby. I honestly, don't care. But at the same time, if you don't like something I like in this hobby, it is not for you to legitimize what makes up my enjoyment in this hobby. That is why I said "go away." Just leave this part of the hobby alone if you don't like it; go do something else and stop disparaging people's enjoyment.
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  5. LA6VQ

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    Sorry, despite my N2VQ call sign, I can't produce an American birth certificate. :)

    I just noticed that the link I referred to for a previous discussion on FT4 was wrong. That did not take place in, but in a discussion on FT8 DXpedition mode in My apologies for that and some other typos. That discussion follows similar lines to this one, and they produce similar summaries: "Topic thoroughly debated. Views still differ. Let's just agree to disagree."

    Frode LA6VQ & N2VQ
  6. K1SCE

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    thank you for stating the above comment, I agree. We are free to enjoy the hobby anyway we want - great, but a good conversation, voice or digital is always nice too. Thanks Dave
  7. KI7IPX

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    It seems to me that HAM radio in general needs to encourage participation regardless of ones' mode of operation as long as the rules are adhered to.
    A large amount of things have to be done correctly before you can click transmit enable and expect results.
    Between my tech and general license there were a few weeks of reading. The first HF rig...took awhile to get all the buttons and knobs figured out.
    The backyard dipole?...... took some reading to figure out what I wanted to do and how long to cut the wire. There were transmission lines to cut and solder ends on.
    Have you ever interfaced a signalink to a computer? For newbie me it took several evenings a month or so apart. I was disgusted with the install and walked away for some time. Lots of audio level adjustments to be made.
    Had I known CW I could have just plugged a key in, press a button or two and start in. Pretty simple stuff. It's too bad that I have zero interest in learning to send cw in the traditional way.Had I, I wouldnt be out the cost of a dedicated desktop computer and signalink.
    Back to my point.....again as a newbie to all of this I have noticed that there is a group compromised of the old traditionalists. Thats guys have your way of doing things and that should and will be respected.
    To that same group of traditonalists....the world is going digital like it or not.
    The younger group could as easily set around criticizing the dinosaurs who set around listening to the dits and dahs. Full disclosure....I'm nearly 59.
    Ham radio is supposed to be about fun. As another poster put it...I dont have his wording 100% copied but it was that HAM should be a hobby rather than an obsession.
    In my view, if someone wants to fill their logbook via FT8 BFD.
    Dont like whats on TV??? change the channel.
    Ham needs to encourage growth and that will not come by discouraging or otherwise heckling users.
  8. K4AGO

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    If you can read, go back and read my comment. No one said anything about you or anyone else. My comments were about what I like and what I don't like. Are you so self centered that you think every comment here is about you? Don't flatter yourself. I could care less about you and what you like. I am not "legitimizing" your enjoyment of anything in ham radio. No one is disparaging other peoples enjoyment except you with your denigrating and sarcastic comments. The world does not revolve around you. I don't participate in contesting so there is nothing to leave alone. Now, that being said, why don't you go look in the mirror and tell yourself just how important you think you are. Maybe you can put yourself a few notches higher on your pedestal. Better yet... "Just go away." You bore me. You might want to change your motto to SELF ABOVE SERVICE. "Service above self" seems to be just a bit hypocritical.
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2018
  9. KP4SX

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    Ham radio (not simply ham) DOES encourage growth and innovation.
    Modes over last 2 hours
    Mode Count
    FT8 566684
    CW 3254
    JT65 1164
    PSK31 280
    JT9 89
    SIM31 48
    OPERA 36
    RTTY 12
    MSK144 9
    ROS 5
    OLIVIA 5
    SSB 1
    There's some outspoken grumpy folks on the forum that might want to discourage innovations like FT8. They are pretty easy to ignore because they don't actually know much about what they are griping about. Innovation these days isn't with a Model T Ford ignition spark coil. FT8 didn't have to be sold to users...they use it because it works. They may get bored with it (I've been hearing that since the week it came out) and go on to something else or revert to the PTT mic/coiled cord. There's room for everybody to do their thing.
    Naysayers, meh. They are always around in the noise floor.
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  10. KI7IPX

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    As an FT-8 user I can see the mode being useful in an emergency to quickly see who is on the air.
    Carl KI7IPX
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