FT8 rubbish!

Discussion in 'The DX Zone' started by 2E0RLR, Jun 24, 2020.

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  1. NN4RH

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    If you're old enough to remember Pong, that's what FT8 reminds me of. ;)
     
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  2. K1VSK

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    , Pong required the user to pay attention.
     
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  3. KQ0J

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  4. W0AQ

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    If you think you don't have to pay attention when running FT8, then you simply don't know how it works.
     
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  5. K1VSK

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    I know making a key stroke isn’t very attention -grabbing. Like typing the same letter over and over and over and... but if that interests you, enjoy.

    What I don’t understand is why people who like it can’t explain why other than to say it’s easier as though that is a virtue.
     
  6. W1VT

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    I like to use FT8 to work multi-hop E skip, which is what it was designed for. E skip clouds are small and have to be aligned to work long DX paths. Someone near Boston may have worked Hawaii today on 6M. There were a lot of Boston area stations calling a Hawaiian station briefly this afternoon. Of course, that isn't the only way to work Hawaii on 6M. If you have the money you can put up a big EME array and bounce signals off the Moon.

    I find split operating to be much more effective than the default, which places you on the same frequency as the station you are calling. With a good multi-hop opening to California stations just one or two hops away will easily blow away a station trying to do a three hop path. Of course, the challenge is finding good split frequencies when propagation is so spotty. Much like working split on 12 meters when you can't really hear most of the stations in the pileup, as 12M skip rarely allows you to hear short skip paths just a few hundred miles away.

    The good stuff I worked today
    Details W1VT AG6EE 2020-07-05 21:01:00 6M FT8 50.31399 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [​IMG] DN12: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz Oregon
    Details W1VT WA6LIE 2020-07-05 20:47:00 6M FT8 50.31395 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [​IMG] CM96: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz
    Details W1VT CE6UFF 2020-07-05 04:24:00 80M FT8 3.57505 CHILE
    Details W1VT K5XI 2020-07-05 19:42:00 6M FT8 50.31407 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [​IMG] DM09: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz
    Details W1VT NX6D 2020-07-05 20:33:00 6M FT8 50.31380 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CM97: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz
    Details W1VT AF6SA 2020-07-05 21:09:00 6M FT8 50.31538 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CM98: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz
    Details W1VT K9YC 2020-07-05 20:17:00 6M FT8 50.31508 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [​IMG] CM87: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz
    Details W1VT K6AVP 2020-07-05 20:34:00 6M FT8 50.31380 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CM95: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz
    Details W1VT N0WVU 2020-07-05 18:51:00 6M FT8 50.31566 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DM26: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz Nevada
    Details W1VT KQ5M 2020-07-05 18:33:00 6M FT8 50.31344 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [​IMG] DM65: Fred Fish Memorial Award; VUCC 50 MHz New Mexico, one less paper QSL to check.

    Seven new grids puts my 6M VUCC total on LoTW at 312.

    Zak W1VT
     
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  7. W7UUU

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    In all fairness, there are now a number of "100% robot apps" that in fact WILL run your station for you and you do NOT have to pay attention when running FT8. They will change bands to follow activity and time of day, they will call CQ automatically if there are no "new entities" to work, and log all of the activity 100% automatically. The user can go on a 6 month cruise and come home to see "who did I work?!?"

    Pretty sure that's what's being referred to. Note that I do in fact run FT8 but run it as close to "manually" as you can get... other than the sequencing once a QSO begins, I do EVERYTHING by hand including S&P, calling CQ, and logging

    But if you don't believe me about the "robots" just search YouTube for "FT8 Robot" ... if you've not seen it before, you may be quite astonished

    Dave
    W7UUU
     
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  8. W1VT

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    WSJT-X has a box for Auto Seq that allows you to turn the auto sequencing off. The timing of v 2.2.1 seems a lot more friendly to manual operation.
    I can see an early decode and turn my transmitter off in time to decode the cycle that I would have transmitted in.
    This allows me to decode my competition on bands like 80M where the propagation allows that sort of thing.

    Zak W1VT
     
  9. N4NYK

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    That’s sad. I do operate FT8 “manually”, but I don’t understand what kind of thrill there is in a fully automatic station with no operator present (either in person or remotely). Rule violation?
     
  10. WN1MB

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    It is sad. For a very few, it could be a feasibility challenge in programming and control automation. For a few others well down the development and testing path, I suppose it could be to further game an already gamed system. Hey, if you're not happy simply shooting fish in a barrel, here - try these underwater explosives...
     

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