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Friendly Reminder - BAND PLANS, folks

Discussion in 'General Announcements' started by K0OKS, Oct 7, 2017.

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  1. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Unfortunately, there is often substantial disagreement on what "the right thing" actually is. :oops:
     
  2. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    So you can agree that the band plan has no regulatory force, and therefore no way to give frequencies special status, but then you use the band plan to assert that certain frequencies have special status?

    I can see why you are confused. :rolleyes: And for what it's worth, it's a common confusion in the forums.
     
  3. K0OKS

    K0OKS Ham Member QRZ Page

    There is no confusion whatsoever. I stated that the bandplan is not legally regulatory. I think the cofusion is naively thinking that the bandplan is useless and does not apply to you or anyone else.

    It is there to help us all work together. If you believe it is useless because it doesn't come from the guvment then there is nothing I can do. Personally, I prefer when groups can make agreements to work together *without* guvment meddling.
     
  4. AF7XT

    AF7XT Ham Member QRZ Page

    ...think I'll just go sit below 7.125 and wait for the Canadians to interfere, If I can hear them through the foreign broadcast stations.

    I'll be a little more concerned when my voice is much larger than my ears. As it is now I hear far better than I send. Add 15db and that all changes. My urban noise will prevent my hearing what my voice can reach.

    I'm going to repeat that , My urban noise will prevent my hearing what my voice can reach. This is the cause of a significant portion of unintentional interference.

    I personally have more issues with QRO stations within ground wave ( more or less nearly line of sight) rag chewing at the expense of 4KHz + ESSB , unable to hear past their high noise floor. These stations call you light, ask for your call over and over (each station asks for the call over and over), tell you to buy a signal, ask questions and talk over the answer. I note the callsigns, time and frequency and don't go back.

    The following is an example of OUR failure to educate and inform. We may teach electrons, safety, band edges and how not to be a complete dolt on first transmission, but little else. Sure a General gets a bit more technical and a Extra even more but on the air experience is the difference. I have to relate the following .

    So I hear the end of a QSO and sign ...
    ...sign again...
    ...hearing nothing CQ 80m <sign> , any station anywhere, CQ ...

    response

    "You know you have to be an EXTRA (their emphasis) to be here ..."

    Yes I'm aware I have to be an extra to be here (????)

    crickets

    ...hearing nothing CQ 80m <sign> , any station anywhere, CQ ...

    response

    "You know you have to be an EXTRA (their emphasis) to be here ..."

    Yes I'm aware I have to be an extra to be here. (epiphany) Are you ?

    response

    "No"

    ...and so it goes
     
  5. K0OKS

    K0OKS Ham Member QRZ Page

    AF7XT: So people keep telling you you have to be an Extra to operate there, even though you are in fact an Extra?

    I agree that a lot of QRM is caused by stations that cannot hear each other, but in-between stations can hear both. It is definitely not all intentional. In fact, I thought most is not intentional at all.
     
  6. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    It doesn't. It's a plan, written by people with a specific set of goals in mind. Whether that actually works or not is very subjective.

    On top of that, there are plenty of band plans to choose from, and anybody can write a band plan. That's another reason why they are meaningless.

    If you want other people to work around your QSOs, you are going to have to be willing to work around theirs. Stubbornly insisting that you can only use one frequency isn't the way.
     
  7. AF7XT

    AF7XT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Just this one. I did strike up a email dialog that was at least as confusing as the non QSO. Note: he was a General at the time. I do not know if he has upgraded since.

    I doubt that most of the QRM is intentional. I only run into a very few that must be aware but don't care. Since I spend a fair amount of time in the Advanced and Extra slices I don't hear a whole lot of intentional QRM . I do hear a few unintended doubles and a rare overlap.
    My post was more intended to point out that most interference is unintentional but also preventable if only a very little common sense is applied. If you are hearing each other 40 over maybe you don't need the space heater. If most SSB filters are 2.8 KHz +/- what is the point of ESSB (voodoo/zombie audio). If you know that there are no bandpass filters on the end of your diode leak bias, handful of 2SC2879's why would not assume that the IMD and Harmonics would be off the chart?

    @K0OKS At best I'm a casual operator and ceaseless experimenter. I don't contest. That I don't make use of the CW portions of my privileges I take as a challenge. That I'm not that interested in digital modes I can live with. Still I examine my own operating for possibilities of unintentional interference. After all its the only station I can control ;-)
     
  8. K3LI

    K3LI Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Why was someone running SSTV on 14.234 today? You SSTV guys have to stick to your area. You created QRM for a weak signal DX I was trying do dig out. So, live with it just like we do.
     
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  9. ND6M

    ND6M Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well, the next time, try saying "Yes, I'm aware I have to be an AMATEUR extra to be here" (emphasis yours).

    Wanna bet that the Kilocycle cops won't "get it"?
     
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  10. K0OKS

    K0OKS Ham Member QRZ Page

    I am going to guess some SSB user was on 14.230 :)

    Of course we all have to live with it when it happens. Following the bandplan will reduce those occurrences.
     

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