French private whant our 2 meters bands ..... SIGN THE PETITION !!!

Some personal considerations on the possible sale of our 2-meter band to aeronautical services as France would like.

This is a small portion of the band, of only 2 MHZ, while on the opposite side the FM could be limited from 108 to 104 MHZ, thus having 4 MHZ available, in some European countries it seems to me already, especially in the future , although not so close, of a changeover to DAB, while the development of IP radio is now imminent with 5G.

What I do not understand is why we want our frequency, the one most often used in an emergency because it has the best balance characteristics, between noise and attenuation of trafficking as we all know that all of us amateurs, while it would be all in all, even if not in Italy, take this space for FM.

comment by colleague Carlo Dezza


SIGN THE PETITION !!!!


tnx 73 de IW2BSF - Rudy





in red : the air band !


For European ham-radio defende our 2 meters BAND !!!!

 

Rudy -
If your graph is correct (information correct), then this is just more 'much ad0 about nothing'. Who started this anyway?
(As far as petitions go, the one who started this waste of time doesn't want to know what he/she/it can do with their petition.)

 

???? Sorry but waste of time for what motive ?

This is preserve our VHF BAND here in Europe !


France has proposed to CEPT that 144-146 MHz be allocated to the Aeronautical Mobile Service.

 

IW2BSF - I am going by the chart YOU published in the preceding post. That graph indicates that the 144 - 146 Mhz range is EXCLUDED from the proposal. So, which is correct, YOUR graph or this later post about the petition? Make up your mind Rudy, please. As for YOUR motive, I don't have the slightest idea, so what was it?

 

Southgate reported recently that there’s been a proposal by France to make the Aeronautical Mobile Service the primary users of the 144-146 MHz band and demote the Amateur Radio Service to secondary users. The report say that this is “part of a broader consideration of the spectrum allocated to that service.”

At first, I really couldn’t believe what I was reading. The 2m band is not, after all, one of the little-used microwave bands. Not only that, for Europeans 144 – 146 MHz is their entire 2m band.

What was really weird about all this is why this is a French proposal and not a European-wide proposal. I forget where I read this, but apparently this is a move by the French company Thales Group to grab these frequencies for some kind of system they are proposing.

One troubling aspect of this is that, according to the ARRL, there’s been no strong opposition to this in Europe. The report notes:

“We hear only one admin[istration] (Germany) opposed the 144 MHz proposal — no one else,” the UK Microwave Group tweeted following the meeting. Otherwise, it has been carried forward to the higher-level CEPT Conference Preparatory Group (CPG) meeting in August.

I’m not sure that there’s much we can do here in the United States. Indeed the IARU has asked its member societies to publicize this news, but “refrain at this time from making speculative public comments about the situation until further progress has been made in regulatory discussions.”



If you’re not inclined to sit on your thumbs, have a look at this item that appeared on reddit yesterday:

Petitions to keep 2m for amateur radio

As you have probably already heard there is a proposal from France to reallocate the 2m band to the aeronautical mobile service.

I urge you to take action to prevent the loss of 2m whether this is by means of contacting your local regulatory body directly, signing a petition or other. Please make sure your voice is heard, every small bit counts.

The following two petitions were circulated around my local club, if you’re so inclined take a moment to sign them:

https://www.change.org/p/keep-the-144-146-mhz-band-for-ham-…

https://www.change.org/p/rsgb-stop-the-2-meter-band-144-146…

If you’re aware of any other petition or ways to voice opposition and help the cause in general , kindly share them with the rest of us. And of course get out there and make some calls! See you on 2m!

I don’t think I’m being alarmist here to suggest to you all that the only organization that’s really defending our frequencies is the ARRL. If nothing else, that should be a reason for you all to be members.


The post Will we lose the 2m band? appeared first on KB6NU's Ham Radio Blog.

 

France is proposing to remove the 2m band from radio amateurs worldwide.

The aim is to give the 2m band 144-146 MHz, which has hitherto been assigned to the radio amateurs on a primary-exclusive basis, to the radio radio on a primary basis.

This application is not to be joked.

The request essentially operates the armaments and aircraft group Thales.


See also the following link:

https://www.f4fxl.org/2m-amateur-radio-band-endangered/

 

from ARRL news:


No Strong Opposition to 144 – 146 MHz Reallocation Proposal at CEPT Meeting
06/25/2019


A World Radiocommunication Conference 2023 (WRC-23) agenda item proposing to study a range of frequencies, including potentially reassigning 144 – 146 MHz as a primary Aeronautical Mobile Service allocation, drew little opposition at a meeting of the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations (CEPT) Project Team A. The team is responsible for some aspects of CEPT WRC positions, and the meeting was held June 17 – 21 in Prague, Czech Republic. Introduced by France, the proposal targeting 144 – 146 MHz would be part of a broader consideration of spectrum allocated to the Aeronautical Mobile Service. Another issue addressed during the meeting concerned the sharing of the Amateur Radio 1240 – 1300 MHz band with Europe’s Galileo GPS system.

“We hear only one admin[istration] (Germany) opposed the 144 MHz proposal — no one else,” the UK Microwave Group tweeted following the meeting. Otherwise, it has been carried forward to the higher-level CEPT Conference Preparatory Group (CPG) meeting in August.

The International Amateur Radio Union (IARU), which was represented at the Prague meeting, expressed “grave concern” to any proposal that would include 144 – 146 MHz in the proposed Aeronautical Mobile Services agenda item. That comprises the entire available 2-meter band in ITU Region 1. IARU has pledged to make every effort to fully protect Amateur Radio interests and seek the support of regulators for their view.

IARU Region 1 President Don Beattie, G3BJ, said prior to the meeting that the IARU would “energetically” promote its opposition in Regional Telecommunications Organizations (RTOs) and the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) “to obtain assurances that the spectrum will remain a primary allocation for the amateur services.”

The 144 – 146 MHz band is allocated globally to the Amateur and Amateur Satellite services on a primary basis, and is the only globally harmonized Amateur Radio VHF band. A widely used segment of the Amateur Radio spectrum, 2 meters supports a broad base of terrestrial users, repeater systems, and satellite stations, including the International Space Station.

According to the meeting minutes, the proposal provides no justification for targeting 144 – 146 MHz, and the IARU believes that sharing with airborne systems likely would be difficult and lead to constraints on the development of the Amateur and Amateur Satellite services there. IARU suggested that alternative proposals might be developed that could provide further spectrum for the aeronautical applications without impacting this Amateur Service spectrum.

IARU is expected to brief member-societies, requesting that they discuss the French proposal with their governments in advance of the August CEPT-CPG meeting. France could seek to introduce the same proposal to study 144 – 146 MHz for aeronautical use into other RTOs.

Meanwhile, further discussion on the 23-centimeter band study proposal is anticipated prior to the Conference Preparatory Group meeting in August. The proposal was raised in the wake of reports of interference to the Galileo navigation system, but IARU has said it’s aware of only “a handful of cases” of reported interference to the Galileo E6 signal on 1278.750 MHz. Work on this issue will continue in other specialized CEPT forums in the interim

here :

http://www.arrl.org/news/no-strong-...u8AZJ6uvjqRC54P2JRapD39NmXtzFJtXs_NL2ZfVVdru4

 

Take your information about a -proposal- and put it back where it came from. This has been carried too far.

 

????? what ?

 

the links not work ! SIGN here:

https://www.change.org/p/rsgb-stop-the-2-meter-band-144-146mhz-being-taken-away-from-radio-amateurs

 

As there is a lot of ‘fake news’ appearing on this subject, this is the official position from IARU R1 member societies which I have forwarded from elsewhere:

Latest News On the Current 2 m Band Allocation Discussion

The French administration at short notice had handed in a modified a proposal to WRC-19 preparatory groups at CEPT that WRC-19 should decide on feasibility studies for additional Aeronautical-Mobile-Services(AMS) allocations in the range from 144 MHz to 22.2 GHz.
If this proposal in its current version is endorsed at the next meeting of the CEPT Conference Preparatory Group in August it is highly likely that it will appear on the agendas of WRC-19 and WRC-23 where a final decision will be made. At least 10 of the 48 CEPT countries have to be in favour of this proposal while not more than 6 must be against this.


During the recent Meeting of the CEPT Project Team A in Prague this proposal by France was being discussed for the first time. Only the German delegation made it clear that they are against this proposal including 144-146 MHz.


The main reason for that little opposition might be that the 2 m band was included in the revised version of that French proposal only few days before the deadline for the Prague meeting. Consequently most other European countries had no time for internal discussions let alone formulating their position.


IARU, being supported by regulatory experts of their member associations (RSGB, DARC, VERON etc) is intensively working on executing their influence within the current process and trying to keep the 2 m band as it is now. By the way, the cost of this activities is covered by the funds resulting from the contributions of the IARU member societies. So those who left their county’s amateur radio society should perhaps reconsider their decision. Without the commitment and the funds the amateur radio community would have little influence in that process, let alone could be present at the relevant meetings.


Most importantly, amateur radio should speak with a single voice only. So I would like to ask everybody to refrain from using maybe good personal contacts to your government or the EU. This would weaken our position and take away power and vigour from the systematic approach by IARU and country amateur radio societies.

73 Bernd DF2ZC, designated Frequency Manager DARC

 

No. The proposal is for IARU Region 1. Not worldwide. However, I agree with you that we ought to view this as potentially setting a precedent -- and therefore should be fought vigorously.

 

I do wish people would quit repeating Bernd's desire that everybody but the proper authorities stop talking about this. "Single voice only" be damned. This is our rights we're talking about. Politicians understand one thing: lots of people making lots of noise.

 

Please see the following:

http://www.arrl.org/news/restraint-urged-in-response-to-2-meter-reallocation-proposal

 

Most importantly, amateur radio should speak with a single voice only.

So I would like to ask everybody to refrain from using maybe good personal contacts to your government or the EU.

This would weaken our position and take away power and vigour from the systematic approach by IARU and country amateur radio societies.