Foundations of Amateur Radio - Episode 110

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by VK6FLAB, Jul 15, 2017.

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  1. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

    This is because of opinion over substance, like peoples opinions matter. This is how it is, deal with it, is not a valid argument and for a technically minded hobby that thinks of itself as one that advances technology, or is at the cutting edge of technology, when it comes to discussion of license conditions and making them relevant for today, the ultra conservatives come out in force with their tough titties attitudes. By all means destroy Onno's argument if its invalid, or mine for that matter, because i have yet to have a single person explain or argue why learning the resistor colour code is relevant for obtaining a std class license.

    The attitude of OM VK2OZ is a rather typical one that I have encountered. There are no elmers here where I live, the older generation of hams are all pretty much like this with their I have no time for fcalls or no interest in sharing their time and knowledge. There is so much I could say on that topic but I will bite my tongue, because there is no way to express it politely, suffice to say, that every step of the way, those same "experts" have been telling me how I am doing it all wrong and its guys like me who are destroying the hobby, with our desire and enthusiasm for experimentation and learning.
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  2. VK4TI

    VK4TI Ham Member QRZ Page

    I read these claims with a degree of incredulity , the std permit allows construction and guess whats needed to make most anything in electronics ( id components sound familiar)
    If your finding no one wants to help then ask why , did you join a local club ( some close to you) or attended a hamfest near you and made introductions ?
    come on ffab answer these questions truthfully and maybe find the time for some introspection ?
  3. AG6ZZ

    AG6ZZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    After the third run-on sentence, I gave up trying to mentally fill in the absent punctuation. Glancing further, I see it is full of grammatical and spelling errors. The browser even highlights the spelling errors, so I'm confused as to why they were ignored before getting posted.

    At it's core, amateur radio is about communication. Poor communicators don't encourage others to listen, or read, as the case may be. I don't mean to belittle the person who posted this, but at the same time, with spelling and grammar checkers at our disposal on the computer, I can't excuse someone ranting gibberish that's unreadable. Everyone is welcome to rant. Writing at least at the seventh grade level will get rants read instead of merely ridiculed.
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  4. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

    And the F-call allows for construction also, all be it, you cannot put a transmitter on the air. Have you looked at any modern electronics? Have you ever tried to decipher the colour code on an SMD resistor? Or how about visually identifying the value of an SMD capacitor? Or how about how to tell if that SOT23 part is a diode or a transistor? Don't answer those questions are rhetorical. And if you look at where the serious/cutting edge homebrewing is taking place in ham radio, its SDR and Microwaves and guess what, there is hardly a single through hole part to be seen in just about all the projects out there. Even the BITX 40 SSB is PLL Synth and SMD construction.

    And lets look at some other parts the STD syllabus, being able to identify a collpits or hartly oscillator is going to help me how when that radio on my bench is using PLL Synths, DDS or some other better method of generating a frequency. I mean i know how to build and have built a super vxo, i can explain how and why it operates, but the AD9850 or SI5351a are going to do the job better each and every time.

    I am not against being examined on things, but make it relevant, there is no good reason to know how to read a resistor colour code, they just do not exist on SMD parts and for me, I am colour blind anyway so its pointless trying and secondly a DMM and RCL meters are cheap, widely available and very accurate. If being able to identify parts is important, make it relevent to what people are doing now using the parts and tools available now.

    Interesting you insinuate I am at fault here and need to reflect on myself to find the answers. Never been to a hamefest work and family i dont have time, but did go to the local club for a while and cast my net far and wide looking, on 40m, social media etc. I did eventually find an electronics elmer, a young university professor from NSW who teaches electronics engineering, who happens also to be an amateur. And i did find someone to learn CW with, all be it he was in Melbourne and not Brisbane, but 40m is open most days between us and we could learn together. As well as made a bunch of other friends along the way, but not a single one of them is the ye olde emler that the old guys claimed to have had when they were new to the hobby.
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  5. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

  6. AG6ZZ

    AG6ZZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Fixing our Obsolete Licensing System - My Two Cents
    I applaud the podcast blogger for taking time to evaluate licensing as it stands today. He complains there are operators who look down their noses at others when they have a measurable means to consider themselves superior, and it is condescending to others. However, such people are insecure, so should simply be ignored.

    I won't debate the blogger's proposal. It's an interesting concept, but I respectfully disagree it is the best means to delineate license privileges. The privileges afforded different license classes should be examined and assessed for their applicability in today's amateur radio environment. I believe this does occur regularly, and the amateur communities around the globe do influence regulations.
  7. VK6APZ

    VK6APZ Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    VK4FFAB, you seem to be a very knowledgeable and switched on person by what i read, so why did you end up with a f-call licence.
    Am i missing something here ???.
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  8. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

    It all happened kind of fast. One day I was talking to a friend about CB, he mentioned his dad was an amateur now SK, I mentioned that I sat and passed the novice theory back in the mid 90's but failed the morse 3 times and gave up. I looked into things and found the code requirement was removed, i could not find the certificate to get credit for the novice exam and ACMA had no record of it. Called around and found a local club was running a F-Call exam the next week, I went and sat it and got my licence, rather than wait till they ran Std. I did start on doing their advanced course, but work got in the way and I pulled out. Got to enjoy doing radio and realised that with where my interests lie, I dont need much more than what Fcall offers and so I have not bothered to upgrade.

    I am also the kind of guy who thinks why drive a Mercedes when a Holden can get you to the shops at the speedlimit. I have friends who raced through f to Std and Adv and hardly ever use their radios. Where as I do lot of radio and am still sitting on the fcall because there is nothing i need from the higher licenses classes now and status means little to me. I think you earn the privileges to use them, not just to have them. In similar discussion to this I have seen fcalls complain they cant work dx and need 20m, yet i have worked 110 entities and am close to a qrp dxcc on 15m, came first in VK and 3rd in Oceania and top 50% in the world in cqww cw, took out wia fcall dx of the year in a field of 1, using nothing more than a 40m dipole. People think there is some magic in 20m and 100w, when in reality its about spending time and putting in effort to make those contacts.

    And yes, the guy who failed 5wpm novice code 3 times can actually send nice tidy 15wpm even if my receive is pretty much only good for 5nn tu kinds of exchanges. LOL
  9. VK4TI

    VK4TI Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well Ill trim this and answer simply
    The F is an introduction , I and most who have begiun at the bottom proceding to full call will agree you need to do the study , I personally have assisted numerious people to gain the ticket they deserved .
    As for electronics I am familiar with smd having been working in the field for a very long time but that doesn't mean you have to start there , there is such a diversity of possible in the hobby that offers other avenues of interest so again I suggest do the work and sit the exams as they are very germaine otherwise your doomed to being stuck with appears to be a ticket unable to meet your wants , rail if you want but nothing will change as the system is working for the interum and certainly the future holds a lot of consideration and advice before making additions to the examinations
  10. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think you might have conveniently missed the point, and that is the relevance of what we are being tested on. I could if I was so interested take up spark gaps or two tin cans and a piece of string and still it would not make things in the std syllabus like resistor colour codes relevant. Nor have you demonstrated WHY it should remain nor HOW it is relevant. Its there just sit the exams is not an argument, its nothing more than a strawman.

    Except in the 3 or 4 places where I have said in this thread how the fcall privileges meet all my needs currently. I wont quote myself, im sure you can go back and read them.

    I am railing against nothing, there is a great difference between moaning I dont have something and questioning WHY something is how it is. I could sit and pass the Adv tomorrow if i so chose to, and even if I had an advanced ticket, I would still argue that things like resistance colour codes are totally irrelevant, and that things like basic methods of frequency generation need to be modernised to better reflect what we are likely to encounter on a modern board.

    Or how what I think on the arbitrary way in which we allocate privileges in our licence structure, or that I think the WIA is wrong in pursuing the ACMA to make the Fcall 50w, or how I agree with Onno that a delineation based on power levels would be appropriate and that the Fcall should remain low power and be called QRP and be only 5w but have 20m and digital modes, that std should have access to all of 6m, and adv should have 1kw. Or why I think we should adopt the British method of having to build a project and explain how it works.

    All these things and more I can make rational argument in support of and and the point of argument is to provoke thought that might lead to improvement and change. Not so i can get something. Just sit the exam, I win, shuts that down.
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