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Force of Two: In Depth stories from 2 Puerto Rico volunteers on HamRadioNow

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by KN4AQ, Oct 28, 2017.

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  1. KG7LEA

    KG7LEA Ham Member QRZ Page

    I don't think that is accurate at all. The deployed group was given different missions and performed each one well despite many limitations. There is nothing to measure their performance against. There were individual failures, but the group delivered as required and, in, some cases, exceeded expectations.
  2. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    There wasn't any 'failure'...

    Desiring improvement is not predicated on the previous effort failing in some way...
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  3. AA7EJ

    AA7EJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I am really not interested in dragging on the pro / cons discussion about the "force of X" success or failure.

    What I am saying is - amateur radio "emergency" communication should not be limited to selected few and publicity stunts like ARRL/ ARC would not be necessary.

    I am calling it "publicity stunt" because there were active communications going on BEFORE ARRL / ARC "teams" arrived. I got my H@W message request thru ordinary hams. I have not seen any pictures, "talk shows", interviews or any other credits given to those amateur radio operators, nowhere!

    So - here is one from one ham to another -

    THANKS guys for being there, you help was and is much appreciated.

    73 Shirley
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  4. KG7LEA

    KG7LEA Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have interviewed several Puerto Rico volunteers and I don't think anyone but the Red Cross could have logistically supported volunteers in this situation as well as they were. Perhaps the ARRL or another NGO has food, lodging, transportation, etc. available for out-of-town help. FEMA? They have SHARES. I know that my city and my ARES group does not include plans to support a Force Of Fifty.
  5. AA7EJ

    AA7EJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    During Harvey local service organizations and churches housed and fed many.
    With neighborhood citizens supplied food, clothing , tons of bedding etc.

    That is not newsworthy to entertainment media, so it was not widely broadcast to the rest of the country. I am willing to bet that same went on on PR - locals helping themselves without much publicity. ( Using "community SAT phones" irregardless who supplied them ).

    I have an idea where this expectations that national organizations and government is the ONLY solution. Seen that during Ike.

    But my view would be politically incorrect, so I'll won't tell.

    73 Shirley
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  6. KG7LEA

    KG7LEA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Perhaps this is one logistic solution for volunteer hams deployed out of town. When the ARRL organizes its pool of trained traveling volunteers, it will need to transport and support them somehow or else the volunteers will learn to forage.

    The pool of volunteers will need a name.
  7. N0DZQ

    N0DZQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    The ARRL has a name for these people. They are called... CONTESTERS.

    The league had opportunity for years to train people but chose a different path. They selected quantity for the prize instead of traffic handling abilities. Why even now they are promoting their "new and exciting" International Grid Chase. Makes one wonder why they hold onto the name of the American Radio Relay League.

    Emergency Managers and NGOs look for disciplined people who are proficient with Winlink, FLdigi, mechanical aptitude, and can operate for hours unnoticed in a back room. Arriving at an incident in your Icom tee shirt and touting your proficient with uploading to the LoTW doesn't set well with the aforementioned . Until Newington can grasp that... there is no need to worry how to feed and house them.
  8. K0IDT

    K0IDT Ham Member QRZ Page

    You are going after the wrong problem, The ARRL is a publishing house that has a membership organization, it doesn't care where the members come from as
    long as they join. It's struggling with declining membership and no clearly defined way to bring in new (younger) hams. I can almost guarantee attracting the
    younger crowd doesn't involve emcomm or traffic handling in any form.
  9. N0DZQ

    N0DZQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Exactly the problem. They have become irrelevant because of their own shortsightedness. And I agree, when all else fails there is beer. ;)
  10. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think you're not taking a shot at contesters and contesting (?) so much as at the current rules of most contests, ie, emphasis on quantity of QSO's per unit time versus other qualities of the contest experience that could be more aligned with an EMCOMM training analogy.

    Contesting teaches fundamental radio operating very very well, and in the Maria storm EMCOMM situation, many contesters and their stations were instrumental on HF as NCS, keeping channels clear of QRM, and doing hands-on message passing.

    That being said I agree that present contests are long overdue to be modified to serve as an EMCOMM training vehicle.

    This doesn't need to be done with all contests. For example, leave the DX contests alone. (VHF too)

    But do something with the "domestic" events, ie, FD , QSO Parties, and especially Sweepstakes; the latter ironically becoming excessively irrelevant and boring.

    They don't need to be scrapped or wholesale changed. Just an incremental addition. Make a rule that enables BONUS POINTS for each QSO that includes some sort of OPTIONAL longer "traffic" message data embedded in or appended to the usual QSO exchange.

    An example is the long running Worked All Europe contest that employs a concept called passing QTC's. Those are sets of dynamic data derived from the actual contest log. An example for FD or SS could be something else, like FCC ULS station address or some other unique data of a minimum character length.

    Competitors could choose to use the expanded exchange, or not. But those who do choose to try passing the extra traffic get more points per successful data character exchanged. Casual ops can keep it simple, but I know which way serious contesters will choose!

    That could be a win-win for revitalizing some contests, training those fundamentals, yet also helping to prepare for the EMCOMM experience.

    The problem with getting that accomplished seems to be an ARRL BOD / Programs and Services Committee preoccupied with policy opaqueness and other power-play drama, like avoiding elections, and promoting their own personal agendas.

    73 de John - WØPV

    PS - their new idea, International Grid Chase, like NPOTA, are NOT contests :rolleyes:. Just low intensity enticements to do anything that gets OTA, which IMO is just fine.
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