Discussion in 'Contests, DXpeditions and Special Events' started by KC8FCW, Jan 24, 2007.

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  1. KB9YFI

    KB9YFI Ham Member QRZ Page

    Putting words into my mouth?

    Yes, I agree the MC test is a joke. How are they going to fix that? It should be harder, of course. The question pool could be made larger. But to be fair and even it has to be some sort of multiple-choice test.

    But modern technology could fix a lot of the problems. The math and theory questions could be set up like a spread sheet. Instead of fixed numbers they should be randomly generated with the answers being calculated by the program that is giving the test and not SHOWN to the person. Make it fill in the blank -right or WRONG. Ask questions about the theory and make them acutally DO the equations. -not just memorize the right number for the answer.

    The band limit questions should be fill in the blank. If you are going to make someone memorize anything THIS is something they should memorize -not how the right answer "looks" in relation to the wrong ones on the test. I have to admit that I'm bad at memorizing numbers. If you asked me to write down the numbers on a fill in the blank test I'd have to REALLY think about them. But just looking at the test on QRZ, the right one is just obvious. The wrong ones just look wrong. People just memorize the 'shape' of the right answer. I know I do when it comes to these band limits questions.

    Maybe the test should be a computer program given out by the FCC or through the ARRL and people could download it and study it but they would have to take it at the VEC session under supervision. That would allow all sorts of interactive questions and such while still complying with governmental regulations about openness. But make it hard and more random. Give the test-takers a TIME LIMIT for god's sake. Let them use a built-in calculator in the test program and a scratch pad area. It realy wouldn't be that hard to fix up the question pool to make it both fair and tough. I wouldn't have a problem if only 50% of the people who applied were able to pass. It would not be that difficult for the VE's to have to load the test onto a room full of computers and sit the test-takers down in front of them and let them go. Keep an eye on them and let the computer do the evaluating. It's an idea.

    But make the darn thing about RADIO! not about one specific mode. The CW test is so out of date as a means of evaluating an amateur's skills and knowledge that is worthless as anything but a HURDLE to keep anyone who doesn't have an ear for dits and dahs out forever. Is that what anyone wants? Don't answer that. I know the answer from a lot of people -that is sad. A private little dit-dah club. It might as well be through the internet if you want to do dit-dah with someone across the world. Or over a land line. I wonder why there are no more advances in the art coming from the ARS. It's not what it is about for the past 20 years. It's Dit-Dah only.

    Make it about real knowledge. Maybe have a typing test of 50WPM as 5% of the grade. If you must have CW then make a small test for that and make it 5% of the grade too. But make the test so that no ONE thing is make or break. It's just not healthy for the amateur service. Everyone has different abilities and different things they are good and bad at. That is just the facts of life.
  2. N2RJ

    N2RJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Not really, just speaking the truth.

    You're saying that now, but would you re-test if that became effective?

    It doesn't. Making it MC only makes it easier to grade. It doesn't make it any more fair and even.

    I like the idea of the questions and answers not being shown to people. That is why a lot of people supported the morse requirement - because now anyone can just memorize the question pool and gain full privileges.

    While element 1 didn't really test anything other than the ability to send and receive morse, it did make it at least moderately difficult to earn your privileges.

    Now? It's easy as hell, and to be honest since it is now easy as hell, the value of the license and privileges have now become devalued.

    Just like you have people complaining about code, you'll have people complaining about this too.

    I would like to see this myself, mind you, but it's not going to happen.

    Why, even No Code International has been opposed to beefing up the written tests.

    1. The ARRL shouldn't have a monopoly on this.

    2. Good luck. Computer based testing isn't going to happen. Who's going to pay for the computers? Certainly not my VE team, and ARRL is not going to raise my membership dues, nor is the Government going to raise my taxes to pay for this, nor is the VEC fee going to be raised to cover this. Paper testing works, and it works well.

    It should be an option, however, given through a secure website (less chance of problems with incompatible software). It's not hard to do.

    BUt I suspect we won't have computer based testing for the same reason we won't have computer based voting - fraud is way too easy.

    CW was only less than 10% of the requirement from April 15, 2000 onwards and was very, very easy.

    It's only people like you that made a mountain out of a molehill that thought otherwise.

    A friend of mine has a saying - morality and standards always fall at your own two feet.
  3. N2RJ

    N2RJ Ham Member QRZ Page


    We'll be sending out box tops to get licenses...
  4. W4CBJ

    W4CBJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have already ordered a black arm-band. CU on CW..
    73 Joe W4CBJ
  5. KC0WCM

    KC0WCM XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Are the gonna give licences in cereal boxes now? is it gonna be called winers instead of wheaties ? [​IMG] [​IMG]
  6. KD7TFD

    KD7TFD XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    50 years ago, when I was 14, a neighbor got his novice ticket (WN9GNZ). I was fasinated watching him work other stations and decided then I wanted to become a ham. Years passed, life went on & I kept putting it off unti I had retired and moved to AZ. The man living behind me was a ham (W7VPL), when I told him of my desire to get licensed he grabbed ahold & would not let go until I got my Tech (no code) 5 years ago. I have yet to sit down and learn the code but I will. This will be out of respect for the old timmers that helped me and accepted me.

    Just the opinion of one that does not know code and has not upgraded as yet, dropping the code was a big mistake. Will 10m now become the same as 11m?? More than likely.

    For all of us Techs out here, do we wish to admit we are to stupid to learn code?

  7. K5GHS

    K5GHS Ham Member QRZ Page

    ........the Rock has come back to Sacramento!

    Oh sorry, wrong board [​IMG]

    (Yeah, I used to watch wrasslin!)
  8. KC8FCW

    KC8FCW Ham Member QRZ Page

    No Just stating a fact

    If you thought I was a troll, why did you even bother to respond?
  9. KC8FCW

    KC8FCW Ham Member QRZ Page

    If the shoe fits,my friend, I suggest that you wear it in good health
  10. KC8FCW

    KC8FCW Ham Member QRZ Page

    I can see you are one that I could ask for help from

    Nice to know there are so many friendly types in Ham Radio

    Have a nice day!!
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