FCC Report and Order Posted on New Rules

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by AA7BQ, Dec 19, 2006.

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  1. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    You're right, of course, you're not talking about rivet counting.

    Only the rivet counters will care. Most of us model railroaders don't care much what you call the motive power so long as you don't call a Berkshire a Shay.

    That's right. The ham equivalent of "rivet counters" will get all superior and snub you. The vast majority of the rest of us will cope just fine.

    The best way to welcome newcomers is to encourage them. The best way to have fun in a new hobby is to enjoy what you're doing and ignore the rivet counters.

    There are two uses for jargon. One is as a shorthand to speed up effective communication. The other is as a way to distinguish the in crowd. Frankly, amateur jargon fits the second model and for the most part we'd be better off without it.

    "Elmer" is a lame way of spelling "mentor". It doesn't matter if you call the rig in your closet your "base" or your "fixed". Q codes don't belong in voice communications, anyway, nor do NTS message numbers. "handle" was around as a synonym for name before radio, and it's silly to not use it on the air because "CBers" use it.

    The purpose of communiation is mutual understanding and errecting an arbitrary jargon hinders rather than helps that.
  2. K4JF

    K4JF Ham Member QRZ Page

    But that is exactly the kind of thing I was referring to.  You simply used a different example.  What about a newcomer who insisted on calling a 2-4-4-2 steam engine a diesel?  THAT is the equivalent of using CB jargon on ham.  Or the new sailor who told the long-time members of his club that it was a "rope" not a "halyard" that raised the sail?  (Of course what happened there would be a lapse in communications, as "halyard" refers to a specific usage of the "rope", quite different from the sheet, which could also be a rope.)

    Most jargon comes about in an attempt to improve communications, by making words more specific to the subject.  And the newcomer should learn the language, because in the process, he learns more about the subject.
  3. KD5VHF

    KD5VHF Ham Member QRZ Page

    Funny, Alot of the same comments were made 32 years ago. [​IMG]  [​IMG]
  4. K4JF

    K4JF Ham Member QRZ Page

    That ham rig IS a fixed, not a base. A base radio has to have attendant mobiles that communicate under the same license to be correctly called a base. That is not provided for in Part 97. Many CB radios that are called "base" also are not. (And those are, by the way, not ham specific definitions.)

    Q codes are an effective way of precisely conveying a long string of information in a short time, whether on voice or CW. They have their place, especially under difficult conditions.

    NTS message numbers have the same advantage, and are used only in a specific environment anyway, so that can't really be called jargon. They aren't used outside of the National Traffic System, and have a major advantage of clarity and brevity within the system.

    As for "handle", I agree: that is a ham term meaning "name" (and yes, it predates ham radio) and only someone ignorant of hamdom would criticize anyone for using it on ham radio.
  5. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    Calling a 2-4-4-2 a diesel is not the same as calling the rig on your desk 'fixed' instead of 'base'. The first one betrays a pretty complete lack of understanding of the field, while the second one betrays nothing. But neither would keep me from encouraging the individual to enjoy the hobby.

    It's not true that most jargon comes about in an attempt to improve communications. Most jargon comes about as an attempt to differentiate insiders from outsiders.
  6. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    Now that is a fine example of rivet counting. It's also not correct, by the way. 90.7 defines base station as "A station at a specified site authorized to communicate with mobile stations." There is no requirement that the mobiles be under the same license. Neither part 90 nor part 97 defined "fixed" stations.

    Amateurs draw the imaginary distinction between 'base' and 'fixed' for the same reason that they use 'Elmer' instead of 'mentor.' It is a classic example of jargon meant to distinguish insider from outsider.

    So are 10 codes... Yet emergency responders have decided that the most appropriate way to communicate on voice channels is via plain language.

    So you've never seen '73' used outside the NTS?

    Many longtime hams critize people for using the term on ham radio. On the air, and on the internet fora.

    I doubt very much that you can find any amateur radio jargon that is unique to amateur radio and serves any purpose other than distinguishing ham from non-ham.
  7. K4JF

    K4JF Ham Member QRZ Page

    "73" is a greeting used long before ham radio, and is not an NTS message number as used by all of us. Class it with "handle"; it didn't originate with ham radio.
  8. K4JF

    K4JF Ham Member QRZ Page

    Ignorance does not equate with longevity (or lack thereof). My statement stands.
  9. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    Correct. I had misremembered that it had been adopted as an ARL. '73' is from a list of telegrapher's coded messages that are of similar use to the ARL codes and 10 codes.

    It's telegrapher's jargon, and using it outside of telegraphy is exactly as inapprorpiate as using 10 codes on amateur radio.
  10. N2MMM

    N2MMM Ham Member QRZ Page

    The railroad industry had BOOKS of five letter groups which stood for common railroad phrases.
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