It never fails. I comment about a particularly whiney Tech and you guys are standing in line to fall on your swords. Don't take the cyanide pill yet. Maybe you can help me with something. I just have a hard time understanding how admitting a subset of Technician Licensees to HF who are not motivated enough to pass a 5wpm code test is going to save amateur radio. Explain it to me. If you were going to do great things for Amateur Radio, what SPECIFICALLY about admission to HF will be the magic trigger to turn you into a savior of Hamkind. Couldn't you do great things NOW? The majority of NCTs will upgrade when they're ready. They'll study and pass the test. There will be no pretense of saving the hobby, or lamenting the death of Amateur Radio because THEY weren't able to shoot skip for a few months/years. They don't deserve to be lumped in with the whiners. They will earn respect.