FCC Noncommital on Code Changes

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by AA7BQ, Feb 18, 2006.

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  1. NL7W

    NL7W Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yes, Bill. Present a equally measurable skills alternative.
     
  2. NL7W

    NL7W Ham Member QRZ Page

    Maybe getting a "General" license just isn't meant to be, Bill.

    Despite your claimed long history and experience, just how do we equally and fairly compare your skills and comprehension to others, Bill? What is your suggested "equal and fair for everyone" skills test replacement for the Morse code element?

    What are your thoughts for a measurable and fair skills replacement? The Internet and computers have added a whole new dimension to radio-electronics and the telecommunications world, so why not a basic typing test? What are your replacement thoughts, Bill?

    Otherwise, stop it with the "I deserve it because..." routine - I've heard it from so many people and it's really old.
     
  3. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    I believe your premise to be false. There does not need to be a test for any skill that cannot be tested by a written test. The ability to speak should be a sufficient skill to communicate by a radio. Those that lack that skill can make up for it in whatever means they feel best suits their needs. There is no need to test for those skills.

    I do realize that the question pools are public knowledge. Closing the question pool is not the solution. Making the question pool a comprehensive as needed is the solution. If you need to know it then it should be tested. Trying to close the question pools will be a Sisyphean task. People will simply take the tests and memorize the questions and answers, like they did before the question pools were opened. All federal testing has open question pools because of the fact that securing the questions is impossible and pointless.

    I don't want the test to be "easy". I want it to be "relevant". If "relevant" equates to "easy" in your mind then so be it. RF concepts, electronic theory, and FCC regulations are not difficult subjects for many high school educated people. I'm not going to buy into the idea that the tests need to be difficult for the sake of difficulty.

    How does Morse code testing fit into this? Learning Morse code will not help with mathematical comprehension. Morse code testing does not prove scientific aptitude.

    We are not giving away licenses. One must still pass a written test to get a license. If the written tests do not cover enough material then the tests need to be improved.

    I like the Canadian testing and license structure. I think we will get something similar soon enough. In the end I think the FCC is doing well enough for now.
     
  4. kd4mxe

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  5. kd4mxe

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    nl7w-Like I said earlier, present a measurable testing alternative that demonstrates a skill related to radio communications. It could be a digital radio related communications skill, like a measurable 30 wpm typing test. Maybe then the "old farts" will begin to take this whole issue more seriously. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -------------o yea I know if you cant Burn them one way you would do it anouther way , it,s not hard to see your point ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    What are your thoughts for a measurable and fair skills replacement? The Internet and computers have added a whole new dimension to radio-electronics and the telecommunications world, so why not a basic typing test? What are your replacement thoughts, Bill?------------------------------------------------------------------------------well sir as long as the test gives you the Rules and you have knowage of how a Radio works and how to set up your station , you old timers should Be willing to help them a little Bit once they are on the air, very few of the old timers today will help you , it,s not like it use to Be , that has changed now, the fcc has changed a few things and the old timers just complain now about the test Being to easy ,they should Be helping the one,s comeing in ,and I will not say what it should Be Because I do not make the Rules,it,s not for me to say ,it would not do me any good to say thats the fcc,s job ,I know when I get in I will not complain I will help others if I can ,73 Bill
     
  6. AB8MA

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    mxe- If you spent half the energy practicing the code as you spent in this one single thread, you would have been done long ago.
     
  7. kd4mxe

    kd4mxe QRZ Member QRZ Page

    nl7w-Maybe getting a "General" license just isn't meant to be, Bill.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    ( well you may Be Right I am still trying But have not got the code yet, and I am to deep to stop now so I will keep trying to get it and as long as I live I will try to get Rid of it as a Requirement to hf ,with all the time I have wasted trying to learn the code I could have learned more about electronic,s something that would have done me some good ,But I know you hardliners dont see it that way,you had to do it everyone else has got to do it we will see what the fcc dose , we will live with it eather way I know the fcc has said the way I hope it will go----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------nl7w-Otherwise, stop it with the "I deserve it because..." routine - I'v Heard it from so many people and it's really old.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------( where did you see that I said I deserve it because ,have not said that ,) 73 Bill
     
  8. kd4mxe

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    ab8ma-mxe- If you spent half the energy practicing the code as you spent in this one single thread, you would have been done long ago.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ---------------------(o yes I am sure you are another one that thinks you know everything to ,)73Bill [​IMG]
     
  9. AB8MA

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    I do try to hide it, but my perfection keeps shining through my magic cloak. Bummer. [​IMG]
     
  10. K5GHS

    K5GHS Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well, it appears that the FCC wants to look in to the phone companies that supposedly gave data to the NSA.

    I revise my prediction of this not being decided from 5 years to 5 years one month as they will take at least a month bothering the telcos before going back to business as usual.

    I'm figuring on having at least a year to find another job, or for this job to get better hours, then I'll have 4 years to learn code and test before it goes away.

    Thats my prediction for this whole episode. By the time they actually get around to it in 5 years, we'll have likely had another 100 topics on this issue hit 100+ pages of debate [​IMG]
     
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