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  1. PE1RDW

    PE1RDW Ham Member QRZ Page

    That must be why you try to BS us by passing off seccond and third hand accounts as fact while they are easely proven to be false.
  2. WA5BEN

    WA5BEN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Please do not confuse California's problems with the close cooperation and common efforts of city and county officials and hams in the other parts of the country.

    If an EOC is activated, we are expected to send someone to man it.

    When the city or county or international airport does a disaster drill, hams have specifically assigned roles.

    When an actual crash occurs (DFW has had only two -- both by Delta, and both because of pilot error due to hurrying to stay on schedule), hams are cleared to the site -- including the triage areas around the runway, if the crash is on the airport. Other hams are dispatched to the hospitals to control the casualty loads versus available resources.

    Our efforts free fire fighters and police to do their jobs. In some cases, we have been asked to sit all night in a tornado damaged area and report any movement. While there, every cop who came by said thank you. (One even brought donuts ! ) They were free to patrol and respond.

    We work as a part of a team. Each member of the team is trained in his/her job role(s), and each knows the limits of their role(s). Fire fighters fight fires, do rescues, and provide emergency medical care. Police negotiate the peace and enforce the law.

    Our field units assess situations within our training (weather, HAZMAT, damage) and communicate to the appropriate agency(ies) or role(s). Our EOC person (there is one in the EOC of each city) gets each field report to the correct role(s), and communicates EOC questions and concerns to the field.

    Our National Weather Service operators communicate information from the lead forecaster (or hand him the microphone, as several are now hams), and ensure that the forecasters receive field reports in a timely manner. The forecasters evaluate our reports and decide if a warning should be issued. We quite often hear "based upon your reports, we will issue a warning for ..."

    The meteorologists at all of the network affiliate television stations monitor our frequencies and quite often break to warn their viewers even before the NWS warning has been broadcast. The words "ham radio spotter", "SKYWARN amateur radio spotter", and "trained spotter" are very often connected with these warnings -- both from NWS and from the TV stations.

    If your RACES or ARES does not work like that, it simply is not working as it should.
  3. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    There's no such thing as a "Masters in advanced mathematics," Larry.

    That would make two of us, then, wouldn't it Larry? Neither you nor I have sat down the head of state of 38 countries. Heads of state, even in third world countries, don't do the shopping for crypto gear. That's what they have all those "Masters of advanced mathematics for."

    Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you list all 38 heads of state you met with?

    Dakotek gear may or may not do well against attack. Given that you didn't design it, you don't work there any more, and you certainly don't have the clearances necessary to know if anyone has even bothered to run an attack on any of the Datotek gear with modern brute force methods, though, I wonder how it is that you would know.

    I'm sure you did a fine job hooking up Datotek's gear to the local phone systems, Larry, but that's hardly doing crypto.

    By the way, I've been going through Datotek patents and you still haven't explained why your name isn't on any of them if you were such a player in the field as you claimed.

    You ever going to answer that question?
  4. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    Oh, I don't. California has different problems than the rest of the country. But, as I've said, except for some small groups in the south east, the rest of the country has pretty bad problems as well.

    I hope you don't mind, Larry, if I don't believe any of that, but you've got a consistent track record of being wrong about what I can check.

    Which describes something like 90% of the ARES and RACES in this country.

    In the US, one finds, typically, one of the following to be true:

    There's no ham activity at all.

    There's whackerdom at large.

    There's an ARES/RACES grudge match in progress.

    There are a bunch of nice folk who mean to do well but simply don't have a clue.

    In about that order of probability.

    That is the reality of ham EMCOMM in 90% of the US.
  5. PE1RDW

    PE1RDW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Not just US, we are alowed to do third party trafic in case of emmcom for a few years and we see it too here, only the grudge match is between those wanting to involve local radio stations and unlicenced radio services (CB PMR/FRS) and those wanting to keep it pure hamradio.
    The wackers here are so far limited to trying to gain grands before they even have proved themself but I'm sure we'll see badges stickers and other wanabe cop stuf
  6. PE1RDW

    PE1RDW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Have fun listening to hard to understand stations in the static, I'll stick to experimenting and homebrewing, in short advancing the radio art.
  7. WA5BEN

    WA5BEN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Wrong again. Several universities offer a Masters in advanced mathematics topics, and some actually call the degree "Master of Advanced Mathematics. (As in this one.)


    I did not state or imply that I had sat down with the head of state of 38 countries. I said "the head of state, the second in line, and/or the Minister of Foreign Affairs / Secretary of State, .....". I have actually sat down with 2 heads of state, 2 second in line, and 4 Ministers of Foreign Affairs (the Secretary of State equivalent). The only country where I did not meet the intelligence chief was Iraq. I worked with the top military commanders in every country.

    Please do not let your lack of international experience confuse you. One does not refuse an invitation to sit down with the head of state or any other top-level person in the government of the country where one is a guest -- and where one hopes to make a sale.

    A very large portion of my job was talking to the national government cipher committees to explain how our equipment defeated every known attack -- including brute force. Quite often, I was the only Datotek person in the country. Absolutely EVERY Datotek customer tested the key generator and the devices. When the security of your nation depends upon the security of your encryption, you test !

    Brute force attack is assumed to find the correct key after 50% of the possible keys are tried. The time required includes key loading, KG runup, time to gather output, and time to test the output to see if it decodes the intercept. In our calculations, we assumed a very high capability of 10^9 trials per second. (This number of trails required a supercomputer.)

    There are 60 seconds per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours per day, and 365.25 days per year. That yields 3.16 x 10^16 trials per year. At 10^9 trails pers second, attempting ONE HALF of the keys requires 7.59 x 10^ 35 years -- or 7.59 x 10^29 MILLION years.

    If I assume 10^20 trails per second, the trials per year becomes 3.16 x 10 ^27, and the time required to test ONE HALF of the keys is 7.59 x 10 ^24 years, or 7.59 x 10 ^ 18 MILLION years. At 10^30 trials per second, the trials per year becomes 3.16 x 10 ^37, and the time required to test ONE HALF of the keys is 7.59 x 10 ^14 years, or 7.59 x 10 ^ 8 MILLION years.

    To achieve a high number of trials per second, one would need to model the very complex KG (a very difficult task) or have several devices so that parallel testing could be done. The latter is the more common appproach -- but it does require that one somehow gain access to the devices, AND to the "Family Key" of the customer. The "Family Key" is created and burned by each customer. If one manages to steal a device, all keys are erased when the device is either opened or drilled and probed.

    The other tests that any worthwhile cryptanalyst will run on any device or system (Chi test, Kappa test, known plaintext, etc.) are defeated by the KG -- as proven by literally tens of millions of bits of test data -- and by the fact that the most capable cryptanalysts recommended our devices to their governments for their most sensitive communications.

    Our gear was used on every conceivable type of radio, SATCOM, mobile telephone, and landline system. I designed the interface to each and every one of them.

    One wonders why you so desperately need to knock down my qualifications -- and so equally desperately hide your own background -- especially if you have any that might give some credence to your qualification to judge mine.
  8. WA5BEN

    WA5BEN Ham Member QRZ Page

    In other words, you ignore truth in favor of your misunderstandings and biases.

    What I described has been true in the DFW area for over 20 years.

    If it is broken elsewhere, FIX IT. Don't say it doesn't work "anywhere" or in "90% of the US".

    We don't need more CA natural fertilizer.
  9. WA5BEN

    WA5BEN Ham Member QRZ Page

    And, by the way, RACES and ARES organizations work TOGETHER here. There is a core of RACES people in each ARES group, and EVERY county net has a liason to the nets of adjacent counties.
  10. AE6IP

    AE6IP Ham Member QRZ Page

    Ah, Larry, googling for what you don't know again.

    However, unlike you, I'm big enough to admit it: I was wrong about "Master of Advanced Mathematics."

    Names, Larry, Names. Who did you sit down with? and by 'sit down', do you mean 'was at the same dinner as', or do you mean you actually negotiated directly with these people?

    IOW, you rigged the cables that connected your box to the local telco.

    But Larry, you still haven't answered my question. If you were such a player, how come your name is not on a single one of Dakotek's patents?

    I would hardly call asking you simple questions that you refuse to answer "desperate" Larry. And you're doing a fine job on your "qualifications" without my help.

    I guess maybe you haven't been around the intarweb thingie that long, though, if you don't know why I'm not getting into a credentials pissing match with you.

    Anybody can claim any credentials they want to Larry. It's what they actually say that demonstrates whether they have them. And if you can make the argument and make it stick it doesn't really matter how you came by the 'credentials' that allow you to do that, because its the point that matters, not the history of the person who made it.

    You say you were a player at Dakotek. But your name's not on any of the Dakotek patents. You say things about crypto that make it clear that you don't have a very deep knowledge of crypto, even if you were at a crypto company. You make up stories about events that never happened in San Francisco and call the people who wrote the official version liars when they disageee with you. You claim to have built out a big emcomm system for Texas but offer no independent evidence that such a system was installed.

    But more than that, Larry, you don't answer simple direct questions. Why aren't your names on the patents Larry? Which heads of state did you "sit down" with? (State dinners that you were at but didn't sit at the head table during don't count, Larry.) Why did you claim that Dakotek did all-hardware no-software devices only when a quick google will point you to microprocessor based Dakotek devices?
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