Well, a lot of techs have reached the pinnacle that they set out to reach...many are into working tropo ducting, the birds, E skip, EME, laser, etc....or are quite content to just sit on the repeater everyday. many others couldnt care less about HF...whether you and I love it or not....thats not up to you and I. they have reached the privileges they were after, and its on the FCC to determine the test methods used to get them the ticket so that is also out of our hands.. And maybe the tiger doesnt like steak. im sure there are many who fit the description you made, procrastination....but if they want it, they will go get it...not our problem, really. the system is timeless, if they DO want it, and are not willing to work for it, then they can sit back and watch the rest of us who earned the upgrade. but you know that everyone is different and it takes all kinds. to each his own. I think the majority of echolink folks will do HF only when they want to, they may not want to at all...im in no hurry to try echolink, so i guess i can see their point. Im an HF CW guy all the way...but unfortunately i only have space and funding for echolink...go figure. ....anyway, a ham helped save another hams life with some mode im not all that familiar with, good for them. I think thats what we were initially talking about anyway?? i forgot.