Do you own a realled Toyota.??

Discussion in 'Survey Center' started by AC4BB, Feb 1, 2010.


Do you own a recalled Toyota product.?

Poll closed Feb 15, 2010.
  1. Yes I own a recalled Model

    2 vote(s)
  2. No, I do not own arecalled model

    18 vote(s)
  3. I would never buy another Toyota

    1 vote(s)
  4. Yes, I would buy another Toyota

    6 vote(s)
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  1. VE3PP

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    You can not blame the Unions for the problems of the Big Three. Being a former active member of the CAW I can not once recall when our Union held a gun to the bargaining crew from Ford and forced them to hand us what they did. Not once.

    In 28 years of being an active member I can only recall a couple of short strikes at contract time. So again we did not force the company to give us what we bargained for.

    You have to remember this fact. During the glory years of the Big Three they were making MILLIONS of profit every month. For 10 straight years the plant I worked at ran production for 96 hours a week. Every hour of production saw 66 Crown Vics or Grand Marquis roll off the line. Those cars made a huge profit for Ford Mo Co. The labor cost per vehicle at the time was well under $800/unit.

    So tell me, how can you blame the wages and benefits of the Union when Ford reaped millions of dollars in profit every week for 10 straight years?

    The Big Three failed to properly invest those profits and they also failed to design and build more fuel efficient vehicles.

    Ford bought too many other companies. They should have stuck to deigning and building their own products.

    Now they have figured out how the game is played.

    My Union recently gave concessions to Ford Canada. What did they get in return? A plant that will close sometime in 2011 throwing 1600 people out of work. Gee Thanks Ford Motor Company, we gave, and you just took away.

    I realize it is part of a business plant that Ford has. But it still hurts to see us bargain in good faith, open up our contract and then have Ford turn around and mothball a very productive plant. We gave Ford what they wanted, in return they close a plant. Fair bargaining? You do the math

    But those that blame the Unions are off base. I tend to think it might be a little jealousy that you being a non union worker are not earning the same money and do not have the same benefits that Union members do.

    You need to remember that Unions have also helped make working conditions better for non union workers. That is a well known fact.

    I actually discussed the problems of Toyota last night with another Amateur in CA. He told me he believes Toyota would have tried to keep this gas pedal problem undercover. If it had not been the fact that a member of the law enforcement and his family were killed in an accident while driving a Toyota. Plus the other accidents that involved the faulty gas pedals.

    You can not tell me that Toyota did not know about this problem long before it came out in the press. They sure as hell did, they tried to hide it.

    Millions of vehicles to be recalled. Damned if I can remember Ford having to recall MILLIONS of vehicles at one time.

    Last edited: Feb 3, 2010
  2. AB3MV

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    I own currently own two Toyota vehicles. I used to own a Ford SUV, which was a money pit.
  3. KA9MOT

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    I'm not sure I would call an Escape a SUV. For me a SUV has real 4 wheel drive. When I think of an Escape I think of a Front wheel platform which would place it more in the car trying to be a SUV.

    Escapes are money pits. I'd never own one.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2010
  4. AB3MV

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    Technically, Escapes are all-wheel drive vehicles. However, they are classified as an SUV. I had SUV plates on my Escape before getting ham tags.

    Other than Trucks, most of the vehicles that Ford manufactures are money pits compared to their Japanese counterparts. Like it or not, the Japanese reputation for building solid cars was earned.
  5. KA9MOT

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    They are available in an All Wheel Drive configuration. They are also available in Front Wheel Drive. In an All Wheel Drive configuration, most of the power is delivered to the front wheels and only a percentage is sent to the rear. Still Front Wheel Drive with Rear Wheel Assist if you will.

    That is not 4X4. You'll see that I stated "For Me" in my post. That means "How I see it". I'll bet this isn't the only thing your state and I don't see the same. Real SUV have 4 wheel drive. Some examples would be, Jeep Cherokee, Full Size Chevy Blazer, Ford Bronco and Bronco II, Dodge Ramcharger and Durango. Toyota 4-Runner, Nissan Xterra. These are just some examples and it is not a complete list. An SUV is built to go off road.

    I have some pictures of mu old Bronco II climbing a waterfall and another climbing a hill that shows my back bumper dragging the ground because the hill was so steep.

    I disagree (we can still do that can't we?). Some of Ford's models are junk. You have to admit that models like the Taurus, Crown Victoria, Mustang are very reliable and popular. The new Focus spanked the Corolla in Motor Trends Car of the Year feature this year.

    The other American manufacturers have good quality cars as well. They also have some junk.

    The proof is in these recalls, not because Toyota made some mistakes but because even when people were dying, Toyota tried to cover it up......

    They must think very highly of their customers...........Some times brand loyalty can be misplaced.
  6. VE3PP

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    You hit the nail right on the head. I wonder how long Toyota would have let this problem slide if there had not been as many deaths as there was involving their products?

  7. KA9MOT

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    I don't think the number of deaths concerned them at all. I think what forced them into action was the publicity the deaths got.

    The other manufacturers need to take a lesson from Toyota's folly.
  8. KJ4ROS

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    Toyo recall

    I bought a 2010 Toyota Avalon Limited in Nov, 2009. Car cost $35k. I have been trying to get a dealer (any dealer) to put a buy number on it for weeks now. Not one dealer will give me a buy number. It currently sits in the garage. (what a waste of garage space). We drive my wifes Yukon Denali because of the snow (AWD) so don't miss the Avalon. It's just a shame to pay a lot of dough for a car we don't (can't) drive and can't get rid of.

    I am usually a good vehicle buyer, but they blindsided me with this one.

    Thank goodness I have the resources to wait it out and other vehicles to drive in the meantime. I feel for the guys that have only 1 car and no money to get back on track. Toyota can kiss my ass. Lying scumbags. I'd like to stuff a floormat into Mr Toyodas pie hole. Pardon my language, pls.
  9. KA9MOT

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    That sucks! And you have every right to be upset. Look on the bright side, Toyota hasn't killed anybody in your family.

    I hope things work out for you.
  10. KD0JMH

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    I think I might avoid jumping on the Ford praise bandwagon this round.

    From the ten largest recalls in automotive history:

    #10 Ford 1987 (3.6 million vehicles): Engine-compartment fires caused by faulty fuel-line connectors compelled Ford to issue this recall in 1987. While not the biggest in terms of vehicle numbers, this recall may be the widest: affected vehicles included virtually every model Ford made, including F150-350 trucks, and all Lincoln and Mercury models.

    #2. Ford 1996 (8.6 million vehicles):In 1996, after customers complained of fires caused by faulty ignition systems, Ford Motor Co. recalled vehicles including 1998-’93 Escorts, Mustangs, Tempos, Thunderbirds, Cougars, Crown Vics, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Cars, Aerostars, Broncos, and F-series trucks.

    #1 In February of 2008, Ford issued the industry’s largest-ever recall, affecting Lincoln and Mercury SUVs, pickups, cars, and vans of model years ‘93 to ‘04. The lowly cruise-control switch was behind this mother-of-all do-overs. It had a nasty habit of catching fire, sometimes hours after the vehicle had been parked and turned off. Owner response, however, has been slow, so in a rare move Ford reissued the recall in September of 2008 for the 5 million vehicles still unrepaired.

    As far as the others go, only Honda at #7 for cracked seat belt buttons and the 72 VW beetle at #8 for throwing the windshield wipers off even make the list. Funny though, toyota does seem to make a much more entertaining internet forum target.

    As far as it being the unions fault, not gonna run there either. Folks can try as they might but they are never going to get past the simple fact that the MANUFACTURE decided what to make and the decisions they made resulted in production of cars folks did not want. Production cost have nothing to do with sell-ability of a product and while profit item may vary significantly, the bottom line is simply that most paid MORE for a Japan owned car than they did a domestic, desire not cost resulted in a loss of sales for the American automakers and until they stop making excuses and start making cars folks WANT, the spiral downwards will continue.
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