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Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by W3SY, Sep 5, 2017.

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  1. WB0MPB

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    So you can ask why but I can't. I was not telling I was asking just like you do. I just followed your lead. OK. Sorry I asked.
    I used the exact words you use. "Why don't you"
  2. AF7XT

    AF7XT Ham Member QRZ Page

    [sarcasm]Semantics is not politics. Determining which is which is important. Only once the playing field and ground rules are determined can you proceed to bash each others brains out in a war of words.[/sarcasm]

    apologies for the late edit :)
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2017
  3. WZ7U

    WZ7U Subscriber QRZ Page

    I'm going for an Associates Degree. Does that count?

    dit dit
  4. N2EY

    N2EY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Here's the deal:

    You criticize me and others for asking questions and telling people what they should do, but then you ask questions and tell people what they should do. You don't live up to your own standards.

    "Be happy in your work"
  5. N2EY

    N2EY Ham Member QRZ Page

    You do realize that besides its Red Dwarf applications, "Smeg" is a brand of kitchen appliance?

    I've got your Smegging refrigerator right here:

  6. N2EY

    N2EY Ham Member QRZ Page

    But do you know the whole history? There's a lot more to it.

    From the late 1920s until, there were 3 classes of amateur license in the USA: A, B and C.

    All license classes had access to all authorized amateur frequencies at full power (usually 1000 watts DC input)

    The US amateur bands before WW2 were 160, 80/75, 40, 20, 10, 5, 2-1/2 and 1-1/4 meters. 40 meters was all-CW (no voice at all), all the other bands had voice subbands, or the entire band was all modes.

    Above 300 Mc. (1 meter) was essentially unregulated; anybody could use it if they could get equipment to work there.

    After WW2, the S amateur bands were 80/75, 40, 20, 11, 10, 6, 2, 220, and many new bands above 300 MHz. 40 meters was still all-CW (no voice at all), all the other bands had voice subbands, or the entire band was all modes. We got 11 meters as a sort of replacement for 160, which had been taken over by LORAN during the war. We got 160 back in bits and pieces over the next several decades.

    All licenses required 13 wpm code, sending and receiving, plus a written test of about 50 questions. The written test was "blue book" style, with essay questions, draw-a-diagram questions, and show-your-work calculation questions. The exact Q&A were not published; there were "study guides" giving the areas that would be tested.

    Class A required an additional written test on 'phone techniques. No additional code testing. Also at least 1 year experience. Class A had full privileges on all modes.

    Class B and C had full privileges EXCEPT no voice between 2.5 and 25 MHz. In effect this meant no voice on 75 or 20, because in 1951 60, 30, 17, 15 and 12 meters were not ham bands, and 40 was all-CW. So they had voice on only 160, 10 and VHF before WW2, and only 10, 11 and VHF/UHF after. When we got pieces of 160 back, they got it back too.

    Class A and B were given at FCC exam sessions, Class C by mail. If you wanted a Class A and had a Class C, you not only had to travel to an FCC exam session but you had to pass the Class B tests (code and written) all over again.

    Class C was reserved for those who lived more than 125 miles "air line" from an FCC quarterly exam point, or who were shut-ins. If a Class C moved to within 125 miles of an FCC quarterly exam point, s/he had 90 days to retest at the FCC and earn a Class B.

    Then came the restructuring of 1951. It added the Novice, Technician and Extra license classes, and renamed the old ABC classes as Advanced, General and Conditional. The Extra was supposed to replace the Class A/Advanced; no new Advanceds would be issued after the end of 1952.

    This created more than a bit of....excitement. Many Class B and Class C hams hustled to get their Advanceds, and full privileges, before the door closed at the end of 1952. Only a few went for the Extra.

    But then, in mid-December 1952, just as the changes were about to go into effect, FCC reversed itself and gave full privileges to all US hams except Novices and Technicians, effective mid February 1953. All of a sudden, there was no operational reason to go beyond General or Conditional. FCC closed off Advanced to new issues, as planned.

    Btw, while ARRL supported the addition of Novice and Technician, they OPPOSED the Extra in 1951. Their stated position was that if the Advanced was "too easy", all FCC had to do was beef up the written test for that license. The Extra was the work of two small lobbying groups who disappeared soon after the restructuring.

    You can imagine that more than a few hams who had worked and hustled to get their Class A/Advanced or Extra tickets were more than a little sore that their licenses carried no more privileges than a General or Conditional.

    That wasn't the end, either. Within a short time (1954?), FCC announced that all routine Novice and Technician exams would be "by mail". They also reduced the "Conditional distance" from 125 to 75 miles, and removed the "retest if you move closer" requirement. About that time, we got 15 meters as a ham band, and the 'phone bands were widened on some bands. 40 got a 'phone subband then too - and it was open to all except Novices and Technicians.

    So by the early 1950s it was possible to get full amateur privileges with a Conditional license, earned by taking the test with a single volunteer examiner, whose requirements were rather minimal. A Conditional could move anywhere and not have to retest, and could renew the license indefinitely.

    The number of US hams in the early 1950s was about 100,000. By the early 1960s it was over 250,000. Most hams in the early 1960s were relative newcomers, who did not know the history. Many thought that Generals and Conditionals had ALWAYS had full privileges - and that full privileges were theirs by right, forever. The idea of losing anything did not sit well with them.

    The original 1963 ARRL proposal for incentive licensing was simple:

    1) Reopen the Advanced to new issues.

    2) Same requirements as before 1953. The Advanced written test could be created by splitting the existing Extra written test into two elements.

    3) No additional code test.

    4) Advanceds and Extras get full privileges. Generals and Conditionals have no voice privileges between 2.5 and 25 MHz.

    5) New rules to go into effect a considerable time after being announced, to allow time for upgrading.

    IOW, under the 1963 ARRL proposal, existing Generals would just have to take 1 more written test to retain full privileges.

    This proposal sparked at least 10 others, and the final incentive licensing changes were a mish-mash of ideas from several of them.

    The end result was that for more than 15-1/2 years (Feb 1953 to November 1968) there were six US license classes (Novice, Technician, General (old Class B), Conditional (old Class C), Advanced (old Class A), Extra). And four of those classes had full privileges (General, Conditional, Advanced, Extra).
  7. G0JUR

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    apart from the fridge do you know what they mean when they use the word smeg??
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  8. KK4ZYM

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    We probably don't need to squirt that can of cheese.
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  9. N2EY

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    Yes - that's what makes it so funny.
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  10. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

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