woo! i bet THAT lit some folks up! as groucho marx once said, 'i wouldn't join any club that would have me!' this is actually kinda funny and, no, it isn't secret at all, but i got this message from yahoo this am: Request to join FT817 denied Yahoo Groups Notification <firstname.lastname@example.org> Today, 8:03 AMYou Hello, Your request to join the FT817 group was not approved. The moderator of each Yahoo! group chooses whether to restrict membership in the group. Moderators who choose to restrict membership also choose whom to admit. Please note that this decision is final and that Yahoo Groups does not control group membership. You may find other groups to join by searching or browsing the Groups directory: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://groups.yahoo.com/&data=02|01||5f88827dce184b62dbc908d56d72c80e|84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa|1|0|636535262111379759&sdata=EeKW3VDJAimL7tOVAzSUVU8v5ezzvzBO0D7KbxxZc3I=&reserved=0 If you would like to create your own group, please visit: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://groups.yahoo.com//start&data=02|01||5f88827dce184b62dbc908d56d72c80e|84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa|1|0|636535262111379759&sdata=fJ2Ark4YxVa88szgun+IkQqVkqjrzvhBXEPlIX7Zzg0=&reserved=0 Thank you for choosing Yahoo Groups. Regards, Yahoo Groups Customer Care i must be a ***gasp!*** RADICAL! this is so cool i can't stand it! i admit, i AM a radical- in the way a cat is: i pretty much go my own way. i don't navigate computers well and sometimes i give up. i think that may have happened. i got to a certain point and couldn't understand how to get past it, so i shut the machine off and did something else; probably leaving the application (if that is what it was) unfinished. it probably timed out and here i am. i tried hfpackers (another yahoo ft817 enthusiast 'club'), too, and got nowhere. maybe they don't like my callsign, or i'm not an Extra class licensee, or i'm not one of the 'beautiful people'. well, that last part is certainly true- i'm required by law in this state to wear a bag over my head in public, have a po-leece escort with lights on, and a guy walking 50 yards ahead of me clashing cymbals, crying 'ugly!, ugly!', thus giving the beautiful people time to run and hide for fear of infection of ugliness. whatever. this group and hfpackers each claim to have 1000's of members. i did get into hfpackers some years ago, but i was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of post subjects and i gave up trying to understand what was going on. Please note that this decision is final and that Yahoo Groups does not control group membership. i guess that means i can't sue yahoo for discrimination!