Completely dead AL-811

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  1. WX3P

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    Help!

    Was working fine - shut off and came back a few hours later

    Won't power on - fuses good, switches good. AC to circuit board good

    I've looked over the circuit and can't see any other components that could be bad other than the transformer.

    Suggestions?

    Thanks

    Jack WX3P
     
  2. W1QJ

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    Low level problem, you are missing something. Maybe a bad outlet or wire on plug bad.
     
  3. G3YRO

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    Have you checked BOTH mains fuses? (never understood why these have a fuse in BOTH the mains leads !)

    What about the microswitch that interupts the mains feed when the case is off? I bet that has failed (gone open circuit)

    Do you have a soft-start circuit installed, which has gone wrong?

    Can you measure AC across the transformer input winding?

    If so, you wouldn't usually expect no output from ANY of the output windings on the transformer ! (even if one has gone open, which is unlikely)

    Transformers that fail usually go shorted-turn (and fry themsleves), not open circuit !

    Roger G3YRO
     
  4. K6BSU

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    First thing I would do is measure resistance across the AC plug, with switch ON. Sudden failure would indicate broken wire or a fuse.
     
  5. WB2WIK

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    The AL-811 has a high voltage indicating meter right on its front panel.

    Does it indicate "no voltage?"

    Are the tube filaments lit or dark?
     
  6. G3YRO

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    As I said before, my money is on the Safety Microswitch that interupts the mains feed . . .it's located near the mains fuses on the back panel.

    Either it has gone open circuit . . . or the case is no longer pressing down on it properly!

    (if I'm working on one of these Amps I just solder a wire across it)

    Roger G3YRO
     
  7. WX3P

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    Thanks all

    Ok - update - a previous owner had installed non-standard fuses it appears. Replacing with correct fuses, I get momentary power and then one fuse blows.

    I am going to remove the tubes and see what happens
     
  8. K0OKS

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    Test the capacitors one by one out of circuit (after checking them with a meter to be certain they are discharged before touching. Ideally you test them with an LCR meter. However, if one is shorted then an ohm meter should show this as a low resistance that does not increase over time (from a good capacitor charging off the meter's power source).

    If one is bad it is best to replace them all, and the bleeder resistors while you are at it.
     
  9. WX3P

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    Bad tube - Thanks all
     
  10. WB2WIK

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    With 811As, this is no big surprise.

    If you replace them with 572Bs, they'll last forever (and fit the same sockets, no modifications required).
     

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