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AST SpaceMobile - Hands or our Bands! Petition

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by W0PV, Aug 7, 2025.

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  1. W6RZ

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    So the solution is to bend over any time our bands are threatened?
     
  2. W1YW

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    The solution is to work with others and, in doing so, increase the number of the amateur radio users actually using amateur radio spectrum allocations.

    Or, we can continue cases of amateur-ish radio, where some, for example, commonly resort to toilet talk.

    Or worse.
     
  3. K1IO

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    The Big Stink won, just a making a big stink that you don't want the New York Yankees to play in the Women's National Basketball Association would, in fact, be successful too. Because the stink in either case would have effected no change. AST got what they wanted, the right to use the band for short periods (launches, basically) when other bands don't work. And frankly hams looked pretty silly in the docket, as most imagined that this was a dastardly plot to take the band away.
     
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  4. W1YW

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    I want to point out that amateur radio has many very experienced volunteers that do act on our behalf. Tim, VE6SH, is one who actually joined our discussion. I disagree with how the IARU executed but I do not fault them for overall mission and the genuineness of their intent.

    But BE ON NOTICE: the advent of AI has changed the rules of the game. Now, there is a Ph.D. level TEAM of cyborg -knowledgeable and technical SME's at the command of a keyboard. Tevhnical issues will be addressed AT A HIGHER LEVEL based on more easily accessed and assessed data and simulation.

    Acting based on principle will be a defeatist strategy moving forward.

    USE of spectrum--that is, are WE using it-- will always be the determining factor.

    Use it it lose it.

    FIND new ways to USE it.

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
  5. VE6SH

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    Thank you Chip

    You are correct. We need to make better use of our VHF+ allocations!

    73

    Tim VE6SH
     
  6. W6RZ

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    Unfortunately, the thing that overwhelmingly (80%) drives Internet traffic and cell phone spectrum usage is video. But video doesn't work for ham radio. It's a shame. You can send the most advanced OFDM (see below) in the world on ham radio frequencies, but you can only use it to send test patterns or a picture of you sitting in your shack (in other words, excruciatingly boring).

    There is no "killer app" for VHF+ ham radio. We're never going to be able to utilize our frequencies at anywhere the same level as the folks that want them for commercial purposes.

    Here's a demo video of my open source ATSC 3.0 transmitter running at -2 dB SNR (yes, below the thermal noise floor) on 2304 MHz.

    https://github.com/drmpeg/gr-atsc3

     
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  7. KG5JJ

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    Of course, they know. Matters not. Follow the money. Always follow the dirty money.
     
  8. DO1FER

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    Please take a look at my posting number #69 in this thread. Behind the link is the reason about what these satellites are. Its in german language, just use a translator. In the end of the text they talk about the LEO satellite objects.
     
  9. N3WVB

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    For me it is simple
    I prefer unobstructive views of the night sky.
    Sure seeing a satellite is interesting or the space station is great.
    BUT
    I don't need to see countless satellites on a clear night.
    Keep the sky clear so we can witness the view earthlings have had for Millennia

    [​IMG]

    Many sats are important and are needed but placing countless more in orbit
    should be reserved for necessity not ego.

    Elon Musk yes the technology is incredible and in some case needed as we found out recently
    But
    Starlink's parent company, SpaceX, wants to launch over 30,000 more satellites for a total
    constellation of more than 42,000 satellites. This is an increase from the nearly 12,000 that
    the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has already approved for deployment.
    The company is seeking regulatory approval for this expanded plan.

    I remember the early days of Starlink everyone would go out to witness the spectacle.
    Today witnessing Starlink is no longer as exciting as it once was.

    [​IMG]

    Now space is open to commercial enterprises more than ever
    What will the next 20 years hold for us lets hope it is more positive than negative.

    N3WVB

     
  10. N3WVB

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    Take a minute or two to watch the beginning of this video
    It may capture your interest enough to watch in its entirety
    If you watch the video ...
    My question is how do you feel about the astronomical growth in sats ?
    Should we pollute the sky to the degree they are talking about and still
    have a future of more sats for our grandchildren and their grandchildren
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2025
  11. AF4NM

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    Perhaps we should be negotiating spots on those things for 70 cm repeater platforms. That'd be cool.

    Skimming the letter, I think the satellite to terrestrial link is the main point of concern. At the same time, the power budget on a satellite is tight, so I'd expect they'd be beaming straight down with a 1 Watt power level. When over the US, the thing would be inactive. Aside from the nipping a long term encroachment campaign in bud.
     
  12. AI8O

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    Echelon was a SIGINT operation run by the NSA.
    The infrastructure (actual signal interception) was run by the DOD.

    THE Secret Service was just going to be one of the downstream agencies getting intercepts/data.
     
  13. K8KVN

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    ARES often uses this band for emergency operations. Our sponsors and partners also need to be included. Many are government agencies that rely on our services as well.
     
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  14. KN4USA

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    His comment about wind generators has just as much to do with politics then the current conversation.. He is also using it as an excellent example and comparison. Because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you can try to shut him down for a made up reason. That crap ended on September 10th. Elon's sats are the size of a bread box and have virtually no effect on astronomers.
     
  15. KA0SQO

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    Maybe so but do keep in mind the Muskrat has deep pockets and a selfish attitude that can take basically anything he wants with little regard for others. Everyone wants the latest & greatest in fast internet in the palms of their hands using today's wireless technology, amateurs are relics of a bygone era and count for nothing today... nevermind the fact we pioneered much of the technology used in today's throw-away world.

    I seem to remember the 2M and 70CM bands were the targets of the SMR's and the what happened to the 220 & 900 MHz bands a generation ago. We don't stand up we lose.
     
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