ARRL still pushing the FCC to re-allocate 3600-3650.

Discussion in 'Amplitude Modulation' started by K4KYV, Nov 28, 2019.

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  1. K4KYV

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    The League submitted the original petition four years ago, the amateur community filed comments and the deadline closed, but the FCC has taken no action. During a recent visit by ARRL President Rick Roderick K5UR and members of the Executive Committee to FCC Headquarters in Washington, they once again brought up the subject, urging the FCC to consider the proposal:

    80-Meter Band Realignment

    The ARRL representatives also asked for consideration of its petition, RM-11759, that seeks to update the sub-band divisions in the 80-meter band to make better use of the spectrum based on today’s amateur use patterns and to provide more spectrum suitable for new and innovative experimentation.
  2. K5UJ

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    Yeah, I've been telling people about this. And when I do, my news is met with disbelief because they have not seen anything about it anywhere. It's become more of a stealth campaign but it is still out there. Dave K1ZZ, they have not forgotten about your retirement present!
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  3. W5UAA

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    (A) To modify the 80-meter RTTY/Data subband ... from 3500 kHz to 3650 kHz;
    (B) To modify the 75-meter Phone/Image subband ... from 3650 kHz to 4000 kHz;
    (C) To provide that ... 3600-3650 kHz ... made available for General and Advanced Class
    (D) To provide that ... 3600-3650 kHz will also be available to Novice and Technician Class

    So, take away 50 Khz of Extra only space and give it to everybody for digital... hmmm...

    I guess this is just another logical incremental step towards the inevitable.
  4. WA3VJB

    WA3VJB Ham Member QRZ Page

    Roderick has been nearly as bad as Sumner in failing to disclose the ARRL's lobbying for review by the broader Amateur community. The group continues to have secret board meetings, sanitized notes, and meetings with lawmakers and regulators that are not revealed until well after the fact. Their internal agenda spawns many Petitions branded "ARRL," that actually represent the interests of only a handful of people inside the League. These proposals are never generated by the popular sentiment of U.S. licensees, since the ARRL refuses to ask for opinions from the majority of non-subscribers.
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  5. KK5JY

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    Don't forget:
    (E) To modify ... the Commission's Rules governing automatically controlled digital stations, so that the segment of the 80-meter band that is available for automatically controlled digital operation shifts from 3585-3600 kHz to 3600-3615 kHz...
    (F) To provide RTTY/data privileges to Novice and Technician licensees in their 15-meter band segment and their 80-meter band segment...​
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  6. ND6M

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    Somehow, this new, more transparent arrl is a LOT like the older one.
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  7. KA4KOE

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    One of the many reasons I gave up on the League.
  8. K4KYV

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    But all told, does it really make any difference? Activity in both the 80m CW bands and 75m phone bands has dwindled to the point that there are usually wide swathes of open frequencies even during prime time evening hours on weekends. It's even easy to find a clear spot to operate these days when there's a major contest on, but not always so easy to get an answer to a CQ.

    The same goes for 160. I used to say that, with the demise of Radiolocation in that part of the spectrum and the near abandonment of 1700-1800 by industrial users, we should keep lobbying for hams to get back the pre-War segment of 1715-1800, or better still, return to the 1750-2050 band we had just before Pearl Harbor. But with the lack of activity (all modes, not just AM), I wonder if this would be worth the trouble.

    What the League was saying a few years ago when they first proposed to re-allocate 3600-3650 has unfortunately come true the past couple of seasons: that phone ops are making sparse use of 3600-3700. Use it or lose it.

    What all users of the radio spectrum should be lobbying for right now is for the FCC to strengthen and enforce anti-RFI rules in Parts 15 and 18. If the EPA can get away with outlawing paint stripper that actually strips paint, and vented gas cans that pour gas into the lawn mower without spilling, why can't the FCC aggressively enforce rules that outlaw importation of consumer junk with blank holes in the circuit board where the RFI filtering components were supposed to go, and deferred maintenance of power lines that wipe out AM radio reception, both amateur and broadcast?
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  9. WA3VJB

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    Don it depends on how to measure success. For years, there have been back room dealings between those who were running the ARRL and a few guys who run the proprietary WinLink franchise on the HAM bands (free internet for sailboaters). The group failed to achieve acceptance of the premise that the HF bands were suitable for email and internet which couldn't be verified as non-commercial. They tried several different ways, including a decision to abandon listen-before-transmit protocol that kept these automated data stations from interfering with human, real-time communications that had the right-of-way. This was supposed to make it impossible to argue with a robot, and eventually establish "channels" where these unattended data bursts could be anticipated, come-what-may. The group then moved to the next problem, which was to try to formally carve-out a sub-band that provides a reserved spot for these robot stations. If such a reservation were approved by the FCC, it would provide a regulatory endorsement of this mode of communication, without the bother of a public debate where suitability issues could challenge their presence.

    Thus, while ARRL people use "digital" as an all-purpose handle, there is a specific constituency behind the proposal, just waiting to be sanctified.
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  10. AC0OB

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    Which is why we need to keep vigilant. I call them, "Deep-State Digitizers." :D

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