ARRL report - No Consensus Reached for FCC on “Symbol Rate” Issues

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  1. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    I previously posted this in an existing Discussion but thought it deserves its own separate thread. The objective being to try to provide some separation from strictly technical aspects versus the apparently less rational resolution process.

    The ARRL News reported yesterday - No Consensus Reached for FCC on “Symbol Rate” Issues

    First, the headline as printed is contradictory with the report filed on the FCC EFCS. “At the beginning of our meetings there emerged consensus on the issues to be discussed. By the end, the parties had reached consensus on some of the issues, but not all. Despite our best efforts, some of the parties did not agree to submit to the Commission any of the recommendations on which there had been an apparent consensus, having negotiated with an “all or nothing” approach.”

    So there was SOME consensus, not "No consensus". Just no conclusion.

    While some are trying to move the League away from "smoke-filled room" non-transparencies, apparently that is not going to happen in all situations yet. Apparently this meeting, on an AMATEUR radio topic, involved not only inhibiting "passions" but also lawyers and associated constraints.

    Curious to know on which issues there was consensus. Also, of the participants, which side did not want to go forward to the FCC with the issues for which there was a consensus. And why some feel it necessary to take an "all or nothing" approach.

    It's also disconcerting that a prestigious organization like NYU may have authorized expenses to retain attorneys from Hogan Lovells on this or allow its staff and name to be used and displayed in government matters or mass media with alleged blatant deception or misrepresentation, or if aligned with any party taking such an irrational negotiating stance.

    All polite and respectful comments welcome.

    73, John, WØPV
  2. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    We don't know for sure whether the lawyers or the PR firm are working under university or private payment (I guess)..... and it would be good to find that out i guess. I would avoid ever sending anything out in a legislative matter on University letterhead.....that would get me into trouble.

    Someone will have to call NYU to find that out.....
  3. KX4O

    KX4O Ham Member QRZ Page

    The NYU connection is one of the more puzzling aspects of this kerfuffle.
  4. K0IDT

    K0IDT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Gordon, stop guessing and go get some facts. What PR firm? Where did you get that information? Get facts you can back up with references, besides I saw it on the internet. The lawyer question is answered in the ARRL release.

    Play nice in this thread please, if you hope to learn anything. There will be more information coming along shortly to fill in the blanks.
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  5. KA8NCR

    KA8NCR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yeah, color me surprised on that one. Both sides need to be sent to the corner for a period of self-introspection before their love of amateur radio eventually strangles it.

    Neither side is listening and both represent their own unique threat to the hobby should they fully get their way.
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  6. KX4Z

    KX4Z Ham Member QRZ Page

    Why don’t you just tell us?
  7. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page


    So what, IYHO, is the middle ground?
  8. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    That's an interesting thought.... I was just thinking that if the status quo is the third option, it's probably the best option, at least for the time being. Given how long FCC has had this on their plate, they may have very well reached the same conclusion.

    It's very unfortunate that the differences between the parties had to be aired so publicly, and in front of the Commission. That's not helping anybody. :(
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  9. NE4EB

    NE4EB XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Is there a list somewhere of all the principals (non-ARRL employees) that were involved in that last round of talks, or is that a secret the ARRL has promised to keep also?
  10. N8OHU

    N8OHU Ham Member QRZ Page

    There is a partial list in the ARRL filing.

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