ARRL board meeting - adopts new revised band plans for HF

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  1. VK4HAT

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    And those learners learn from those much more experienced than them, by flying and working with them. A tech gets walled off in his own enclosure and has to upgrade to general to sit and learn on air from those with much greater experience and knowledge, particularly so in regards to HF.

    So for development to work as it does in your analogy, you need a lot more mixing on air of techs with generals and extras. Its that mixing and interaction that causes people to desire to progress though the hobby. A lack of elmers at the local level mixed with younger people do not do clubs, means you need other ways of getting that mixing and encouragement to happen. 40m SSB seems like a good place to start to make that happen.
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  2. KP4SX

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    I've often thought about comparing yesterday's Novice with the current mindset.
    It was valid for one year, and later for two years. It WAS a starter ticket. Upgrade or you get tossed from the ranks. I never heard any well-meaning upper-classmen whining that we need to give them more privileges to provide an incentive. Upgrading yourself was automatically part of the deal. No sobbing about not having encouragement.
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  3. VK4HAT

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    We live in a different time Bill with much different expectations, some of you had elmers or others who you looked up to, many of you were kids when you started in ham radio. most of us who come to radio now are adults in our 40's and 50's and we have much different expectations from our hobbies than a kid in the 50's and 60's. Work pressures are different, family pressures are different, unless you account for all these differences, looking back and going Novice worked,people upgraded kind of misses the mark by a long way. Its comparing apples and oranges.

    Also, those kids and Novices came for the love of radio and electronics, that was the fundamental driver, they were driven to get somewhere because that was their love, no matter how high the hurdles were. Today's new hams are not as passionate about radio or electronics, they are looking for different things from the hobby, and if you do not structure the hobby for their needs, they just bounce to something different. New hams today want to try things, all things the hobby has to offer to see if it is what they want long term. Tech does not allow them to do that and if you give them a bad experience on the intro license, you have lost them before you have even started.

    You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. But if you never lead that horse, you might as well shoot it in the head where it stands, its as good as dead already. 500K techs is proof that tech is a dead end.
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  4. KK4GGL

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    If the reasons are many ... name a bunch.
  5. KK4GGL

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    Clubs. Mentors/elmers, events, hamfests... yeah, really gets walled off/sarcasm.

    And new/learning pilots don't start in multi-engine jets. They get "walled off" in single engine props.
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  6. KP4SX

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    There has always been losers and underachievers. Has nothing to do with "different times".
    Tech was never meant to be an intro license. It just happens to be the bottom rung - and good for 10 years. Anyone truly interested is allowed to upgrade their privileges.
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  7. VK4HAT

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    Q. What happens when the number of VE's with extras is so low that there are not enough people to administer an extra exam?
    A. The arrl says lets make ham radio a class license like CB.

    There are many, I am sure you can think of many others all linked to the reduction in the pool of extras. The more you think about it, the greatest threat to ham radio is not replacing the pool of old guys who are dying out. Things like loss of skills, loss of knowledge, loss of man power with free time to do ham radio, run clubs, nets etc etc. The list goes on. Open your mind and start thinking Rick, you can come up with much more than I just posted. Not replacing or adding to the extras will have profound effects. Having all the licenses at the bottom, is a huge risk to the sustainability of the hobby.

    That's nice a condescending Bill

    Agreed, it was meant to be a license for technical experimentation. Its failing at that also. So you have a license class that is not achieving its original purpose and its not fit for the purpose its currently being shoe horned into and the only fix you have for that is upgrade or you are a loser and underachiever.

    That is some pretty special hate you have right there Bill. How many techs who read that would be inspired to join someone like you who hates them. Zero. And that is the problem.
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  8. K1VSK

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    Good thing we have a tiered license structure to save us from all the fatalities caused by incompetent hams :confused::confused:
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  9. KP4SX

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    You seem to want to make this a personal/social problem. Its not.
    With all due respect I don't think you understand what the Technician class is in the US. You often compare to your Foundation Licence but there may not be such an equivalency. The fact that there's such a high percentage of those that never upgrade is not because older hams ill treat them somehow which seems to be your main point and it just isnt so.

    Many, if not most, get a Tech license for reasons other than becoming a "ham" in the conventional sense. They don't fancy themselves to be the Boy Homebrewer from an Alfred Morgan book, they don't care about working moonbounce or hanging out on the zed or other ham radio social media. They can but they don't.

    Here locally they graduated about a dozen folks and gave them an HT specifically as part of disaster preparedness. I know many of them and they don't care anything about ham radio. One of the group was interested and has become active with nets and stuff. I doubt the rest can even remember their callsign issued.

    Simultaneously there was a group putting together MURS people who didn't have to get a license or anything. Well MURS just doesn't have the reach of a ham repeater or the support behind the scenes of the ham community. GMRS license costs real money and doesn't have the backend support either.

    I really don't care if that's the reason these people got a license. The overall radio licensing structure in the US lends itself to that outcome. They aren't bad, lazy, unambitious people needing an uplift. They got what they wanted with a Tech ticket. (including a free HT)

    This really isn't a problem looking for a solution. Not everyone who gets a driver's license is expected to build a car on their workbench or be a Grand Prix driver. Most just want to drive to work and go to the store.
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  10. VK4HAT

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    And what about those coming to ham radio with more of a radio desire, not a save the world desire? Wouldn't they benefit from an actual introductory license? The emcomm zombie apocalypse types will continue to do nothing and would not benefit from the changes and so are irrelevant, but the few, those who have some passion and want to see what the hobby has to offer, well those people would benefit greatly from tech having 40m SSB, and its those people who are going to stay in the hobby long term and contribute to it.

    And its those people you want to capture, inspire and encourage. The wackers are irrelevant to the hobby already and should not be the reason to not make changes to the tech license. But capturing the real hams should be, and there are some real hams in the tech ranks. Treating the potential real hams as losers and underachievers from the outset, is only going to alienate them and you dont make friends my driving people away before they even start.

    So ultimately making tech a real introductory license only benefits the hobby. With no downsides because the emcomm wackers are going to do nothing anyway, but the real hams will gain a lot from it. Whats the saying, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. That seems appropriate here.
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