I did finally get ND and VT for my WAS. I'm thankful to a couple of generous amateurs that worked with me to get a QSL. The new goal is five band WAS and there is still a way to go for this one. KJ3N, I know what you are saying. Nothing against CA operators (I lived there myself for many years due to my career) but, it seems like CA and AZ are hard wired to WA. On JT modes I can get -1 dB reports in CA and AZ with 5 watts and my antenna laying on the ground. That works both ways and the CA stations burn my ears frequently. Trying to get something more directional to give them and me a break. Trying to get Oregon and Montana on 20 meters to close that band out for the five band WAS. Put up a temporary NVIS antenna yesterday and QSO'd with a local operator in ID and another fellow in Texas. For the most part it seems like the skip zone got even bigger the low mounted dipole.