Anyways all I asked was if the 800s were a good tube and it went overboard as is usual on qrz. Thanks so far for feedback. I am sure I am smart enough to handle an 800 tube. Or a 3-500 or an 8877. Atleast the 800s are in a pair so the price to replace is only 1/2 the cost of an 8877 if only one tube roasted. Solid state is not happening with me. They pop way to easy. I could do a 3-500z amp too. I was just liking the idea of an amp with a lot of headroom (low stress on components) and a low drive so I would not beat on my ICOM rig so hard.