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Anybody obtain their Radiotelegraph Operator License Lately?

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by KK5JY, May 17, 2019.

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  1. N1JDW

    N1JDW Ham Member QRZ Page

    I've had a GROL license since 1994, and got it because I was told how useful it would be. In the years that I worked as an electronics tech., I was hopeful that it would advance my career, and increase my income. It made no difference. Even though it was one of the credentials listed on my resume, employers never asked about it. The folks in HR who interviewed me, didn't even know what it was. When they saw that I also had an amateur radio license, they thought that I was a member of a group that performed entertainment services. Anyway, the achievement of both licenses, has always provided me with personal satisfaction, if nothing more.
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2020
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  2. K0UO

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    No I haven't even had anyone request a Commercial for about 6 or 7 years.

    Some of the aircraft avionics guys about a hundred miles from me in Wichita used to want to be tested for that.
  3. KY5U

    KY5U Subscriber QRZ Page

    By then the rules had started letting up on requirements. I got my 1st Class Radiotelephone license with Radar Endorsement in the 60's (P1-8-12789). It was required for work on any transmitter except ham radios. I worked in broadcasting, 2-way, and marine so my 1st was a big help. I once has an a-hole boss that finally pi$$ed me off in 1973 so I quit. and used the phone right in front of him to call a competitor and had a job on the spot.

    People told me I was nuts leaving 2-way for cellular in the early 80s. They said it was a flash in the pan. But in 50 years working, I have never been out of a job except the example above for 2 minutes. I was faced with layoffs 4-5 times but was always in the employees kept. The only time I sweated it was when I was 62 and so close to retirement. But I made the cut and got a generous package when I retired at 66 after 30 years with that company.
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  4. W9XF

    W9XF Ham Member QRZ Page

    I would agree with KB2FCV regarding the license being solely for bragging rights. I took & passed the General Radiotelegraph exam through a COLEM in 2014 without having to take the code test element as I had a pre-no-code Amateur Extra Class license and was given credit for it. Other than the feeling of accomplishment in passing the exam, I have yet to find anyone looking for a radiotelegraph operator! It does, however, permit holders to perform FCC marine radio inspections for Great Lakes vessels that require them.
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  5. W9LWA

    W9LWA Ham Member QRZ Page

    I don't suppose that code CD used for testing is available to the public? I hear it sounds a bit different, somehow, than the code resources, most of us study. I'd love to hear how it is. Even a short excerpt would be nice...
  6. WA1GXC

    WA1GXC Ham Member QRZ Page

    AMTRAK requires a GROL as prerequisite for application to radio technician jobs in their Communications & Signalling (C & S ) Dep't.

    Good job, great pay and benefits. Jobs do not open up very often, normally at busy regional terminals. After March 2020, forget it. Thousands

    gone in force-reductions.

    Radiotelegraph licenses, in the old diploma-format, used to carry historically interesting notes on the back. Bold-faced "WARNING" cautioning
    the operator to make sure the radio installation had a valid station license; be knowledgable of international regulations including protecting
    the privacy of all communications, and complying with the orders of the Master or person in charge of the ship or aircraft. Requirement to
    comply with all radio treaties to which the United States was a signatory, "which are binding upon radio operators."

    Most of the back was "Service Record" to be filled-in by ship's Master or Manager of facility--Ship name/station callsign, radio emission types,
    nature of service rendered--'Satisfactory' or 'Unsatisfactory'.

    My license service record documents (then-correct FCC designations) modes "A1, A2, F1"
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  7. W9BRD

    W9BRD Ham Member QRZ Page

    Over this past weekend, for fun I tried a site, linked out of an earlier post in this thread, that purports to give you sample tests for commercial exams, including the T2. I started running through test questions, and then got to one about neutralization that had no answer option that made technical -- some even pushed logical -- sense. Glad I passed my T2 back when FCC was giving them.
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  8. NL7W

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    I request it. My radio shop is filled with technicians possessing the GROL. :)
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  9. WA1GXC

    WA1GXC Ham Member QRZ Page

    A little information that might be of general interest; possibly "too much information" dep't.

    Sadly as the FCC has in the name of efficiency/economics/ public policy positions run roughshod on the rule of competency, other Federal
    agencies conduct themselves in parallel fashion. The philosophical grounding, which I will not debate one way or the other, rests on the principle
    of "Regulation by Objective"--And everything's cool until it isn't. If the system product gets screwed-up, the free-market will correct it. Many of you think
    competency standards for the Amateur Radio Service have been trashed--Don't flatter yourselves--FCC No Care. You can be the transmitter engineer
    of a 50kW FM Broadcast station and hold no license. If things go badly, presumably the station owner will seek competent engineering
    oversight by a consulting contractor.

    A large proportion of FCC Commercial Radiotelephone 2nd-Class licenses (counterpart to today's GROL) were acquired and maintained by major -airline
    avionics technicians whose license with appended Ship Radar Endorsement was a requisite condition of employment (Besides airborne WX Radar, many
    airborne systems are pulsed such as DME and ATCRBS (transponder), thus endorsement req'd.).... Long-gone....Safety, safety, safety until some 26 year-old
    MBA gets a raise by informing the VP- Maintenance that there's $27,000 in overtime savings by getting rid of licensed avionics technicians and
    allowing structural mechanics to pull a box and slip in a new box. Old box which was working perfectly gets banged-around and air-shipped 1500 miles
    to a Repair Station, and the airplane flies 3 more days with a permissibly- inoperative system. The problem, you see, was actually resident in the adjacent box
    and was misdiagnosed by a cool computer-based flow chart viewed by newly-unlicensed help-desk 'specialists'.

    FAA Certificated Repair Stations likewise do not require, unless specified in their approved operational documents, licensed GROL-holders.
    Personnel may receive certification as a limited "Repairman", such as a guy whose only training and competence is to solder wires to pins on
    a Cannon plug.

    False economy. Welcome to the world.

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  10. NL7W

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    Unfortunately, competent electronic technicians' training, capabilities, finesse and experience (wisdom) are NOT valued in today's world. The demand is small and their work is highly specialized.

    I was one -- once. When I realized the need for my skilled services was waning in the 90's, I moved into engineering, project management, consulting and management.

    The good technicians I have working for me are in their 50's and 60's. My best Electronic Technician will be retiring in a few short years.

    OTOH, my radio system's need for competent IT and networking technicians is strong. If that skilled IT person has ANY RF skills or interest, he or she will likely get hired.

    It is what it is. The world continually changes and not always for the better.

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