Good Post UMO! Not that you need my approval. I can see the KJ6DXW may not have known that his operation was illegal. Perhaps he will know better next time and will refrain from illegal activities. QXZ too. In my mind, I see members of these Public Service agencies, telling the new guy, "It is illegal, but it is cheap and nobody cares." Much like the moron at the CB shop telling the sucker standing at his counter, "It's OK, we can hook an Amp up to it, add some extra channels. Yes, it is illegal but nobody cares." If the new ham thinks nobody cares he is wrong. We care, the FCC cares. The FCC cares enough that they will fine the guy with the radio, and the department involved $11K per day per radio. Recently, it was quietly published that the Indianapolis Police Dept. was busted because they all had 2m rigs in their car, and were using them as a talk around and using bad language on them. On 2M, with no license. The Indianapolis Police Dept. Still has these radios in their cars. They went out as a group and got Tech tickets and it is back to normal business with these radios. Now these guys are licensed and it will be imposable to get rid of them. Is this the kind of Ham we want? Not I. Look, here is how you test the waters, IMHO: If you want your ticket for the sake of Ham Radio, meaning because you are a radio enthusiast, you want to experiment and you want to experience all of what radio has to offer with-in your interests, Then ham radio is for you. If you want your ticket solely so you can play Police Officer, Fireman, Logger, Construction Worker, CERT, Weather Spotter etc. There are better radio services available to you. Ham radio may not be for you. You will find many like yourself, but you will be ostracized. If you ever intend to use your radio illegally, you don't belong . If you are interested in RADIO you will be very welcome. Now, I am going to take my diplomat hat off. I was using it with-out certification but it is OK...Nobody is enforcing those rules. I'm much more comfortable being an ass.