AMSAT's Fox-1Cliff Satellite Launched, Initial Telemetry Received

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by N8HM, Dec 4, 2018.

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  1. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    That's a start, thanks, and what I am looking for, a ball park figure. But apparently, by implication, to launch Fox-5Cliff whatever remained in the Fox fund was exhausted and then resources from the General Fund were used to make up the difference, which is now one of the justifications being used to "refill the coffers". I am curious what that ball park figure may be.
  2. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    I am not picking a fight. On the contrary, I am trying to further the cause of the Amateur-Satellite Radiocommunication Service, by asking fair questions about the process and finances being used by AMSAT-NA.

    What I get so far is stonewalling, obfuscation and diversionary responses, and now in some cases, attempts at online bullying. Others observing that who may be considering joining or contributing to AMSAT may be repulsed.

    No jab. Scientology does not follow the biblical writings of the Apostles. Like fanatic worship of other celebrated organizations it is paganism. 2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves."

    73, John, WØPV
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  3. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    This morning about 9:30 am EST I called the number and got voice-mail. I left a message after the greeting from Martha. Patiently waiting for the return call.

    Meanwhile I did a bit more digging online and looked at the AMSAT-NA Financial Review and IRS forms 990. The last one published was for 2016. On page 2 it shows a precise dollar figure of $162,258 for Satellite Development, etc, which reportedly includes launching, but don't know if any occurred. This is down substantially from the same category in 2015 which was $261,451.

    Those numbers do not specify to the level of detail PER PROJECT FUND, but they start to form the answers being sought. And it demonstrates that despite any NDA that may be in place, public discussion of such finances need not / ought not be entirely limited.

    Why hasn't the AMSAT-NA Financial Review and IRS form 990 been published online for 2017?
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  4. WD9EWK

    WD9EWK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Not sure why. If the 2016 Form 990 is any guide, maybe it is still being prepared for filing with the IRS.

    Another source for recent Form 990s is the IRS web site. You can search for organizations either by name or their Employer Identification Number at:

    When I searched for AMSAT by its name (Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation), I saw 2016 copies of Form 990 and Form 990-T were available. I downloaded AMSAT's 2016 Form 990, and saw that the return was signed by the former president Barry Baines on 10 December 2017 - almost one year ago. There was a Received stamp on the middle of the first page, which had 19 December 2017 as the date it was received by the IRS in its Ogden, Utah, facility.
  5. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    If a nonprofit org fiscal year follows the calendar as most do the IRS 990 is due in May. One six month extension is allowed, making it absolutely due in November. So to be in compliance it needed to be filed by now. Other non-profits like the ARRL have filed with such extensions, and their 2017 form 990 is now online.

    A bit more troubling is that the AMSAT-NA Financial Reviews, created by their CPA auditors and published online, used as the basis for the IRS 990, do not indicate the status of donation funds for separate programs, ie, General vs. GOLF vs. ARISS. They are basically just the 990 data in a different format. This doesn't demonstrate the principle asserted earlier in this thread that donations to the funds are separately accounted and utilized.
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  6. WU8Y

    WU8Y Ham Member QRZ Page

    Oh goody, we can recycle all the League-bashing conspiracy theory threads with AMSAT as the target!
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  7. KI6PMD

    KI6PMD Ham Member QRZ Page

    The launch was great & having more "BIRDS" to work now is wonderful ! less time to wait for the next pass of a different satellite ! But we still need a geo stationary bird over the mid Pacific ! so we here on the west coast can work Asia & more Islands in the P.O. Great work AMSAT & Space X ! Got to run I have a pass coming in 10 min. see you on the birds. 73' Phil KI6PMD..
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  8. K3RLD

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  9. KA2CZU

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    I think that only AMSAT officers would have the info you need... not sure the rest of us AMSAT 'regulars' would have that info to even hazard a guess. I sure don't and don't know if it's available online.

    Think contacting AMSAT directly would be the best approach. Can't imagine that reasonable questions wouldn't be answered.
  10. KA2CZU

    KA2CZU XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    On another note, have repurposed my PI to Fox In A Box w/RTL-SDR. We'll see how my ground plane at 10' picks up telemetry on the upcoming passes...
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