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AD8302 - directional coupler - part #3

Discussion in 'Homebrew and Kit Projects' started by AA7EJ, Nov 6, 2018.

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  1. AA7EJ

    AA7EJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Call me old fashioned , but ...
    how good is a schematic of DIRECTIONAL coupler without (I/O) pins / terminal numbers and without # of turns and without "dots" indicating winding directions ?

    Probably the "direct in / out " is a single turn, bout source and load .
    I do have some doc about number of "coupling turns", but the directions are just guess.

    PS
    I have not figured out why the first app has the K1 relay / switch.
    Will do some more reading on it.


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  2. VK4FFAB

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    The primary will be 1T and the secondary will be however many turns you require to get the required level of coupling. K1 is just bypassing the transformer so 100% of power it passed to the detector.
     
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  3. AA7EJ

    AA7EJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Using the schematic with numbers
    is 1 - 2 winding ( 1 turn ) in same "direction" as 5 - 4 ( 1 turn)
    or does it makes a difference ?
    How about 1 - 3 /G and 5 - 3 /G ?
    I need some better description about "directional coupler".
     
  4. KA9JLM

    KA9JLM Ham Member QRZ Page

    You need to observe CW and CCW winding.

    Have Fun.
     
  5. VK4FFAB

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    The winding 1-2 is a single wire passing straight through the core. The winding 1-3 will be N number of turns to get the required coupling. Something like 37 turns to get -30db of coupling. So a signal of 100w on the primary will be 0.1w on the secondary, for the forward reading, and on the reverse reading the opposite is required. The primary will be N number of turns something like 10 turns and the secondary will be a single wire passing through the core. The reason why the coupling is different is because the reflected power is lower. But in both cases you might be looking to present a 0.1w maximum signal to the detector circuit.

    This video might help you understand the concepts a little easier.

     
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  6. AA7EJ

    AA7EJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    As much as I do not care for u-tube - this is one of the best , no nonsense articles.
    It really helped to have the incident / reflected hardware drawn as he did.
    In an essence - there is ONLY one connection (TL) in the VNA - source to load.

    The usage of coax as TL carrier and using the coax braid as shield is the most revealing part of the article,
    but I fail to see the need for metal shield between the coaxes.

    Perhaps more of mechanical than electrical function.

    I hope I can apply this to "binocular core" where the "isolation" between incident / reflected PRIMARY windings is not so apparent , at lest to me.
     
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  7. VK4FFAB

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    The shielding between cores improves directivity, which is the measure of isolation between the ports. In your application a low say 10 or 15db directivity might be enough, in another aplication 20db directivity might be required and shielding helps that a ton.

    All his videos are great. he explains complex topics in a real no nonsense way. glag you found it helpful.
     
  8. AA7EJ

    AA7EJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    http://michaelgellis.tripod.com/direct.html

    Found yet another article on directional couplers.
    This one explains the "mechanics " of "binocular transformer ".
    Welcomed addition to the project .
    I think it is time for me to thank Mr Al Gore for inventing internet.
    Atta boy Al!
     
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  9. K3KIC

    K3KIC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Interesting. I now work for the company that the author worked for in the 90s. And yesterday I was working on some 2 GHz binocular core couplers for a project I'm working on. These happen to be 75 ohm.
    Back at the time the article was written I worked for a competitor that has since been bought by the successor to Antec. And this morning we find we are bought once again.
     
  10. AA7EJ

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