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A NEW FT8 with QSO and Rag Chew capabilities called FT8CALL

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by NN2X, Aug 12, 2018.

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  1. NN2X

    NN2X Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Many CW operators work at 10w pm, but if you are trying to work DXCC, at these band conditions, the -24db ability to decode becomes real attractive

    I guess it comes down to working local, or DX at the price tag of 10WPM...

    For those who have modest set up and want to work DX, well the choice is easy (While all having a modest QSO at 10wpm)

    FYI, In QRZ there was poll conducted indicating more than 70% of Ham operators have dipoles at 100 watts...(Hence today, FT8 has 70,000 + active while others modes are at hundreds) (This is using PSK REPORTER)

    Cheers, NN2X
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  2. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    FEW CW operators do less than --20-- WPM. The point is its very different when comparing an engage brain deciphering at 10 WPM CW to a glancing eye catching the characters at 10 WPM on a digital mode display . One is moronically slow, the other is compatible with patience.
  3. NO2Y

    NO2Y Ham Member QRZ Page

    The thing is, DX operators seldom want to talk to you....much less spend lots of time talking to you at 10 wpm. They want callsign, location and signal report. That's already offered by FT8. So, to claim this method is a great improvement for DX is a stretch.

    It's a possible alternative for CW...especially among those with compromise antennas
  4. NN2X

    NN2X Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    One key note I forgot, and should have early on,

    I use Google Translator, This is amazing tool, If I am working at fellow in Russia or any other foreign country, I use this translation tool, let me tell you, if you speak in their language, look out, it is amazing

    This I use all the time, when using any digital modes,..! Cheers
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  5. AK9S

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    OH8STN's mind does not agree with reality and he tends to be suspicious of other's motivations. He's the only operator I know who purposely hides his last name. Just look at his website, where he wants haters of FT8CALL to be called out. Really? And look at what he called you on Facebook for a factual comment. That is not normal nor acceptable social behavior. Fact is, just on this forum alone, the vast majority of people support FT8CALL (except for the chosen frequencies, which will be addressed in the near future.) People have a right to agree and disagree without fear of reprisal. Unfortunately, this individual displays many of the hallmark symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Let others judge him for what he writes and posts. I wish him well.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2018
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  6. KN4CRD

    KN4CRD Ham Member QRZ Page

    The tool is in its infancy and will likely evolve before a general release. One thing to note is that the description I've used in the FT8Call documentation is:

    The idea with FT8Call is to take the robustness of FT8 mode and layer on a messaging and network protocol for weak signal communication on HF with a keyboard-to-keyboard interface.

    Conversation isn't the primary purpose. Communication is. Those two words are subtly different and there's a reason I choose communication. Communication is a means of connecting people.

    Many ops like the sensitivity of FT8, but are looking to be able to send a bit more than a minimal QSO. FT8Call offers that to them. Should they stop because YOU get everything you need from FT8. No.

    Ragchewing is possible, very slowly. But, I've actually seen people ragchewing on the mode. Great. That works for them if they can stand the speed. Should they stop communicating because YOU can't stand the speed. No.

    We've had SOTA operators beaconing from a mountaintop with FT8Call and snagging contacts with it AND cw. Another tool in the toolboxHere's my point...

    If you're interested in trying it out and finding a usecase for yourself, please do. And if it doesn't work for you, no worries. Feel free to go back to your CW, SSB, RTTY, contacts without admonishment. But, please don't put others down because they enjoy using FT8Call and have found a usecase for themselves.
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  7. N1RVN

    N1RVN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Excellent summary, thanks Jordan!
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  8. KE0EYJ

    KE0EYJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think of it like this...

    I live in South Korea (HL1ZIX). If there were an emegency, any mode that lets me send 10wpm outside of the country to other ops (without endlessly calling for hours), after throwing a cheap vertical or a dipole up in a tree in a likely compromised situation, at low watts, is very cool.

    If I climbed a small mountain near home, I bet I could be received stateside. My parents are not hams, but the thought that I could theoretically exchange a daily short paragraph update with them in Iowa, from Korea during dangerous times, is mindboggling.

    Fantasy, but a fun one to see potentially realized.

    My family would GLADLY wait for 10wpm, if it meant comms vs no comms.
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  9. NO2Y

    NO2Y Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think you're jumping the shark a bit here.

    I've seen every comment in this thread at least once and I don't recall a single comment from someone saying people shouldn't use the mode or putting down anyone who does. If anything, I've seen fans putting down people who use other modes - not vice versa
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  10. NN2X

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    Jordan...I remember when FT8 came out, there was many Ham operators who were against that mode (FT8). As we know today it is by for the most used. (70,000 at this hour while other modes is in the hundreds)

    FT8CALL is second place most of the time. (Based on PSKReporter).

    This is a gift!

    You would think a Thank you would be more of the comments..

    Well, let me state:

    I thank you for take the time out for creating this mode (FT8CALL). And it is free!


    NN2X, Tom
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