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7300 Used Radio Killing Prices

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by KM4MLF, Sep 30, 2019.

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  1. WW2PT

    WW2PT Ham Member QRZ Page

    That’s pretty much true of all radios in the 7300’s price class. The 7300 is feature-rich at a decent price, which makes it attractive to a lot of new hams and casual HF ops. I’d be tempted to buy one as a spare 100w rig if I had a spare grand. But there’s a reason it costs around 1/6 the price of a 7700 or a well-optioned K3. Most hams will never notice the difference unless they use it in a strong-signal contest or DX pileup environment with a high gain antenna.
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  2. KA9JLM

    KA9JLM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Some radios have the original firmware in ROM. So a hardware reset can recover to factory new.

    Some radios write over the original firmware so recovery is harder, and JTAG is required for recovery.
  3. KC1HLU

    KC1HLU Ham Member QRZ Page

    All my electronics are run off UPS. Otherwise in a power failure while updating any computer, transceiver, we are at risk of bricking the device.
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  4. KG7FIU

    KG7FIU Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yes, very true.
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  5. WJ4U

    WJ4U Ham Member QRZ Page

    all your radioz is belong to us!

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  6. K8XG

    K8XG Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yes I know this is a Moth old, but this was not mentioned here goes....

    Yaesu uses a separate boot-loader micro-controller, its activated even when the radio can't boot up on bad firmware. So you simply copy over good firmware over the bad or wrong one you put in and Viola, radio works again no factory needed. I know this because owning a FT-991 and a FT-991A, I once put in the "A" version in the non "A" radio. Radio would not come on. Simply follow the remove power cord, do this while holding that and putting power cord back in the radio would read in the correct firmware from the PC waiting for it.

    People complain about the switches on some of the Yaesu radios to set firmware updates, but that is what is switching the bootloader in place to keep you from Bricking the radio.

    If a Radio needs a JTAG update to un-brick it, if the factory would give you the code to put in, folks that know how JTAG updates work could do it. JTAG is very common in the micro-controller hobby market.

    2 cents
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  7. K8PD

    K8PD Ham Member QRZ Page

    Icom has reduced the price of a new 7300 with rebates by nearly 40% (currently $899) of its introductory price in about 3 years since it hit the market. That has driven the used priced of the 7300 and other radios down proportionately. Given the feature level of the 7300 and its popularity in the market, it has driven the prices of other relatively new transceivers even lower.

    One of the downsides of the newer gear is serviceability. Component obsolescence often happens due to parts that are unobtanium. Very few end users are equipped to repair 0402 surface mount technology making a radio return to manufacturer or throwaway or parts queen if repairs are needed.

    Those of us who own "boat anchors" , in my case a 52 year old Collins KWM-2A, can still make user repairs and find off the shelf parts for most of the items prone to failure. With reasonable care my Collins gear will outlive me. Prices on well maintained classic gear have remained stable or even increased in recent years as more hams recognize the solid performance and value they offer.

    With exception of a small subset of the more modern gear like the Kenwood TS-520 and perhaps the original FT-101 series (to name a few) most of the newer gear was not designed for longevity or user repair.

    The new radios have some amazing features and capabilities but I find that my vintage gear suits my needs nicely for 99% of my daily operation. Yes, I have an Icom 7300 and it use some of the time, but I find operating the Collins more enjoyable and it works equally well for my everyday QSOs.
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  8. K6LPM

    K6LPM Ham Member QRZ Page

    I really dont know about the 7300 driving down the price of used ham radios?
    It seems to me that Icom has driven down the price of used 7300's or just the 7300 period!
    When I made the compulsive decision to purchase a 7300, there was no love and no rebate...
    New 7300=$1250 out the door HRO...
    Icom has probably churned out more of these than any other radio in the history of commercially sold appliance operated ham gear.
    They knocked out enough sales to flood the marketplace.
    Now they are full on into super-saturation mode.
    They likely already have exceeded all R.O.I. expectations. Profit margins beyond forecasts and goals? Its all gravy at this point....
    Continue rocking and keep rolling with volume based profits.
    Attract new purchases thru value enhanced rebate incentives vs secondhand and used bargain sales.
    Continued sales/greater production units equals greater value from production line investment and tooling, equals more profits.
    Somewhere the tide will settle, but for now? Icom, Surfs up!!!!
    What type of value does one get from todays radio compared to radios of years past? Bang for the buck feature for feature? Adjust for inflation and look back at that Collins? $2500 fully outfitted? Fast forward to say the late 80's and Kenwood 940s ?
    Todays radio? Maybe a 6410?
    Same outlay but adjust for inflation?
    Price a used 940today? Adjust inflation?
    Price a SLine or KWM2 today? Adjust inflation?
    A used 7300?
    I dunno?
    There is indeed a durability factor in the what value is placed on what you get in the way of steel vs plastic as well as factoring modern production vs previous laborous production vs effeciency/ineffeciency vs handcrafted vs QC ect....
    lots of differences to weigh? But again adjust for inflation?
    Bang for the Buck?
    Lots of factors makes for lots of food for thought!
    Yeah at what point does the longevity exceed the disposable value?
    Adjust for inflation and subtract for inovation and technology. Whats it worth to you is what really only matters. Either your buying or not buying.
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  9. W5UAA

    W5UAA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Inflation adjusted dollars:

    1961: Collins KWM-2 new price: $1,150, today it would cost $9,900.

    1965: Drake Twins T-4X/R-4A new price: $800, today it would cost $6,500.

    An IC-7300 today at $900 would have cost $100 back in the early 1960's.

    Today's modern radio are cheap, do a lot more and are almost fool-proof.

    If it still works like new, then it still has value to someone else. But used radio prices are worse than used car prices.

    Old radios were fixable for many years. They're getting more difficult to fix these days. New radio fix actions today require replacing entire circuit boards and most of the time that's not easy to do.

    If there's something wrong with a new radio today, and it's not a simple fix, it's worthless. Paying a profession to fix it costs way more in the long run compared to just replacing it with a new radio. Time to scrap it, recycle it.

    IC-7300's were introduced at the Tokyo Hamfest in 2015. I see people complaining about clock battery failure already. In about another 5 years, the IC-7300's are going to start running out of either butane or flint.

    I treat my radios like bic lighters these days.
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  10. WD0BCT

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    Everything today is marketing and recycling. We have a large depository here for unsold cars. Sometimes it gets huge but they eventually disappear. I've asked where they go. One of the answers I get is that they are recycled. I find it hard to believe that new cars would be recycled but am told that releasing these cars on the market would kill the automobile industry. It all becomes a part of the cost of staying in business. That seems to be awful wasteful if in fact true.

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