73 Magazine: All issues now online

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  1. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page


    Thanks for your concern on my property. I am genuinely touched.

    I do hope you understand that the respect for property is often tied on with a respect for privacy. In other words, why would I be under any obigation to state what has been done, or what is being done, or what will be done?

    Also, how can you expect me to speak for other copyright holders? As I explained, I am only interested in my copyrights.

    Are you aware that there may be arguments that waiting a few weeks for SOPA to pass may render copyright pursuits more effective in terms of quick resolve?

    Are you also aware that it is vacation time, and that attorneys do, on occasion, take vacations? :)

    Chip W1YW
  2. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page


    That's a bit too deep in its generalization. How do you know that those who support SOPA ALL see it this way? Or that even one supporter of SOPA sees it this way?

    I do support SOPA,although like many others, I am most interested in the final language used at passing. As for me, as a copyright holder, I am only interested in exercising control of distribution on said copyright works. Shutting down websites is an extreme measure which may be warranted in rare circumstances, IMO. An example: a website devoted to unauthorized streaming of first run movies.

    Chip W1YW
  3. W4PG

    W4PG Super Moderator Lifetime Member 279 Volunteer Moderator Platinum Subscriber Life Member QRZ Page

    No argument from me there, Chip. I agree completely. And I think the issue of someone streaming first run movies is very clear. But, I'm not so sure of the issue of 73 magazine, which is the issue I'm most concerned about.

    While it's clear (at least to me) streaming first run movies without authorization is a violation of the law, I'm not so sure what law(s) are broken by putting 73 online for download as was done by the Internet Archives group. Compare if it had been QST instead.

    QST is still published, the copyright holder still asserts those rights and is making MONEY off the magazine. Indeed, one could argue that the profits from QST are significant in the day to day running of the corporation that owns QST. Without a doubt, had the Internet Archive attempted to put QST online for free download, they would have quickly heard from ARRL's lawyers.

    But 73 seems different. It's not clear even who still owns the copyright, though we have to assume Wayne does. No one with a vested interest in 73 appears to have challenged the Archives and it's not even clear to me that anyone with a vested interest in publishing 73 even exists. As you know, the magazine is no longer published.

    With QST, it's clear that someone's monetary interest is at stake . . . not so clear with 73. And as with most legal issues, unless someone's monetary interest is damaged, it's not worth making an issue over, for the most part. While I do understand your concerns over privacy issues, that doesn't rise to the level of monetary damages and thus, most lawyers wouldn't waste their time.

    So I think I understand your concern over 73 being published for free and easy download, but I've yet to see how that concern morphs into any type of monetary damages to you specifically, or any other 73 author in general. So it seems to me that much of your concern is over personal issues and personal privacy rights that don't rise to the level of copyright infringement that causes monetary damages.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discount your concerns. It's just what you might expect to receive from those concerns and what the law currently allows appear in stark contrast. That's not to say that might not change if SOPA is broadly enforced!

  4. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    So we simply have two different views...nothing wrong with that!

    73 and have a great New Year Bob; hope to work you on the bands during my few upcoming days off:)
    Chip W1YW
  5. G0OIL

    G0OIL Ham Member QRZ Page

    SOPA is just the result of politicians p***ing in the same pot as big business who want to turn the free internet into a version of cable TV which they can control.

    The politicians just *HATE* the fact that we can find free and uncensored information which doesn't come via their official channels - often information which exposes their corruption and other wrong-doing. Big business of course just want to turn us into good, captive little consumers who feed their monopoly interests.

    You can bet that every bit of SOPA that makes you think "yeah, that's reasonable" will be a Trojan Horse to hide many more unsavoury aspects whereby *YOUR* elected representatives will be paid to sign away *YOUR* freedoms (whilst spending your tax dollars).

    What the internet has shown so far (and web 2.0 will push further) by way of unfortunate unintended consequence is that the old model which supported industrial patents and paper-published works no longer works. Central control of peer-to-peer infromation flow will work about as well as every command economy has worked (the last one is North Korea, right?). Any legislative controls will be pretty much immediately sidestepped by those developing technology to sidestep them - for one simple reason: that the people breaking the rules are brighter than the dullard legislators and lawyers who make them.

    SOPA won't stop online piracy - but it'll be part of the death of a thousand cuts that will destroy the freedoms for which people went to live in your country back in the days when you were the Land of The Free. It's rather like throwing the baby out with the bath water, don't you think?

    BTW the Digital Ecomony Act 2010 and Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 brought just a little more of Orwell's 1984 to this country. The Coalition Government is considering more "privacy law" legislation to 'gag' publication of information that rich and powerful people don't want revealed - and this is in addition to the presence of 'super injunctions' that suppress free speech.

    Dave G0OIL
  6. K6MFW

    K6MFW Ham Member QRZ Page

    wow, this debate still continues. Don't worry SOPA along with ICE domain seizures will put a stop to all this. And also allow tools to suppress websites with viewpoints that ruling class may find objectable like what is done in China. I find this whole thing despicable. Certain people are so wrap up about pirates that they don't realize the tools being implemented are same tools a dictatorship can use to suppress political opinions. SOPA allows corporations to blacklist websites without due process like what ICE does with domain seizures.
  7. G0OIL

    G0OIL Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yep. You've got it. I think that healthy countries need a revolution about every 200 years. You're overdue ..... and we're seriously overdue

    But don't worry: something other than HTTP and "regular" websites will develop, something other then torrent filesharing will pop up, probably within weeks. And it'll take the dumb law makers about 10 years to catch up ..... before the cycle starts again.

    Our politicians do of course love the Chinese model, but most of my acquaintances in China just get around those controls fairly easily.
  8. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page


    I am just one guy, who lives off the luck of his talent and wits. I am no better or worse than anyone else; in fact I see myself as somewhat inadequate--I try harder. Much harder. But I can't even begin to impart to you what a challenge it has been to make a living from intellectual property. Basically it has taken me 40 years to be comfortable. I do not live off anyone; I support more than I want to admit. I don't know ANYONE who's had an easy time of it with copyrights, patents, trademarks, etc.. We are meek. We need protection. We came into the system with certain legal stipulations that gave an even playing field and chance to show who we are and make it worthwhile to others.

    The present system just isn't working: the one that is DMCA based for copyrights.

    Some information will never be free; other information must be. Most of us play the wide margin in the middle.

    73 and HNY,
    Chip W1YW
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2011
  9. G0OIL

    G0OIL Ham Member QRZ Page

    No, because the model is obsolete. It ceased to be relevant in the late 20th century as the world transformed into a very different place.

    No, I don't know what will ultimately replace it, but watching the world in action it seems that the institutions of government and business who are trying to stem the tide feels a bit like watching King Canute. Just as the incumbent leading world economies will further decline this century (unless they change the game, which they show no sign of doing) and will be eclipsed be a new economic order (whatever that may be) the old model will prove itself no longer viable.
  10. KJ4YQK

    KJ4YQK Platinum Subscriber Platinum Subscriber QRZ Page

    I don't support SOPA and will never will. Different Groups will use the SOPA to shut down forums like QRZ and other forums.

    All it would take is for someone to post the first paragraph of an article from some Big News Corp, then makes some negative comments about the article. Just ask the FreeRepublic.com about lawsuits they have experience in the past, and that was under the current copyright laws.

    Under current copyright laws you can paste a paragraph from an article to point something out, then comment on it. I wonder how limiting the SOPA will be. Remember it was Nancy who stated we can not know what is in the Heath Care bill until they pass it. What is hidden in the SOPA.


    Hopefully I did not break a SOPA or copyright law linking to the article above.
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