7.000, 40 meter Trash talk

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by K0UO, Nov 19, 2021.

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  1. W5INC

    W5INC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Do you waste finite resources tracking down every miscreant that runs their foul mouth on the air? Do we use Carlin's 7 words that can't be spoken on TV as a guide? Dated material if there ever was, I reckon.

    A tiny % of AR OPs pursue these actions and the powers that be understand there will always be flies in the ointment. Voice recordings are a 2 way street and far greater number of voice recordings could be made, showcasing the legal use of the AR frequency allocations. Chicken Little has been around a long time now.
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  2. N1FM

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    Riley: "What concerns me most is this: You still need to lighten up. Show a little more respect for each other and the service as a whole. It isn't about you. Read Dave Sumner's article; May, 2012, in QST, on page 9. I have a couple of hundred copies here. I'll read... "Most of the unpleasantness that erupts from time to time on the most popular HF frequencies can be avoided if we're willing to be flexible in our frequency selection." That's about all you need to know about amateur radio...

    Work together more and count on the FCC less... You're calling the FCC too much to solve your problems. Remember the SWAN 350, 500? TS 570, TS 2000? FT-2000? They have dozens of little knobs and one big knob. There's a reason for that. Who's the bigger idiot, the person throwing the rock or the person who drives that street every day when they don't have to do it? Use the big knob; go somewhere else. Report the problem; that's part of your self-policing function. The world is ugly enough; don't add to it.... So much of the interference on the amateur bands is absolutely unintentional. We're all ordinary people and we're gonna make mistakes, especially with today's equipment. You have thousands of frequencies you can use. Use your frequencies, and try the WARC bands, they're great..."
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  3. W3WN

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    The point simply was that you can't both complain about these guys AND condone them.

    When someone creates a thread complaining "oh woe is me, they're picking on me" for receiving an advisory note that something was amiss... and that same someone gets told in that same thread that he's picked on, how dare the VMs let him know that they heard something bad... it kind of makes it hypocritical of some to then turn around and complain about ones causing real issues with foul mouths, foul behavior, foul behavior, and generally being as obnoxious as they want to be -- be it on 7200, 14313, or most of 75 phone at night.

    Regarding the late George Carlin... yes, that material is dated. I saw him perform a few times at the old Syria Mosque (before it was destroyed and replaced with a parking lot, which is a whole 'nother story that has nothing to do with Amateur Radio), and if memory serves, the original list of 7 words had expanded to somewhere around 250 or more. And reading that list, in it's entirety, as only he could, had the audience howling.
  4. W4NNF

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    Perhaps...but you could also play a tape of what is broadcast over the air on commercial radio and TV and say "This is what commercial broadcast is for."

    For better or worse our culture is coarser now, and what goes out over the ether is bound to reflect that. Elvis left that building a long time ago. ;)
  5. AI5DH

    AI5DH Ham Member QRZ Page

    Must be a lot of virgin hams around who have never wondered outside their protective make-believe world. I rather enjoy the trash talk, very funny stuff. Any CB operator can get a ham license. Nothing to it.
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  6. N1FM

    N1FM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Any 10 year old can see and hear worse on the Internet and most of them have laptops or phones.

    Ironically, many of them even have laptops and phones paid for by funds mis-managed by the FCC.
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  7. W5INC

    W5INC Ham Member QRZ Page

    100% correct Mr. Ron. What is really interesting about this, is how the knuckle heads forget all about propagation in these matters and just how dynamic it can be. Listening to 40 Ms at night in SE TX, I can hear signals from both coasts, converging like 2 freight trains ready to crash on the same frequency. The dullard freight train OPs will be cussing and yelling at each other because of propagation QRM factors and not deliberate interference per say. But what does that matter, as you are now on my lawn.
  8. W7IMM

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    Translation: "Spin the dial" if you don't like the dialog

    And a great many have!
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  9. N3HGB

    N3HGB Ham Member QRZ Page

    I suspect the number of 10 year-olds with FCC provided laptops and phones is a number less than one.
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  10. N1FM

    N1FM Ham Member QRZ Page


    May 12, 2021, 12:12 PM EDT
    By The Associated Press
    Jessica Hill, AP File

    Fourth-grader Sammiayah Thompson, left, and her brother, third-grader Nehemiah Thompson, work outside in their yard on laptops provided by their school system for distant learning in Hartford, Conn., on June 5, 2020. Of course, many of those phones, broadband subsidies, and computers in the Emergency Broadband Benefit program aren't given to kids. They're registered to fictitious people, and dead people.

    November 22, 2021
    For Immediate Release

    WASHINGTON, November 22, 2021 – In an Advisory issued today, the Office of Inspector General (OIG) of the Federal Communications Commission alerted EBB providers, beneficiaries, and the public to improper and abusive EBB program enrollments made in connection with the USDA National School Lunch Program’s Community Eligibility Provision (CEP).

    Providers’ sales agents are enrolling households in the EBB program by falsely claiming the household includes a dependent child who attends a CEP school. The Advisory provides examples where the number of EBB households enrolled based on CEP school participation vastly outnumber the students actually enrolled in those schools.

    OIG reminds all EBB providers that they are required to implement policies and procedures for ensuring their EBB households are eligible for program support and they will be held liable for their agents’ rule violations. OIG notes that as of today, USAC has implemented some controls in response to concerns we shared with the Commission regarding this ongoing fraud.

    Inspector General David L. Hunt said, “Our office is committed to using every tool at our disposal to fight fraud, waste, and abuse in the EBB program. Advisories such as this play an important role in alerting program stakeholders that we will scrutinize carefully compliance with all program rules to identify and deter fraudulent practices.” The Advisory is available at https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-378076A1.pdf

    The $3.2 billion program is part of the $900 billion December pandemic-relief package. The government is increasing spending on broadband as the pandemic made stark that millions of Americans did not have access to, and could not afford, broadband at a time when jobs, school and health care was moving online. It’s unclear how long the money will last but it’s expected to be several months. Tens of millions of people are eligible, although the Federal Communications Commission, which is administering the program, did not specify a number.


    2017: More than a third of customers receiving the subsidy could not be confirmed as eligible for the program. The study, which looked at data from June 2014 until May 2017, also found that $1.2 million annually had gone to fake or deceased individuals. More than 12 million households received Lifeline subsidies with disbursements totaling $1.5 billion between October and December 2016, according to the GAO report.


    Lifeline was initially designed to provide discounts on traditional phone service for qualifying low-income families. In 2005, the FCC revised the program, adding prepaid wireless mobile plans to the mix. The agency expanded the program again in 2016, allowing the subsidy to be used to pay for broadband service. A household can use both the Lifeline and Emergency Broadband Benefit programs.

    + Up to a $50/month discount on your broadband service and associated equipment rentals
    + Up to a $75/month discount if your household is on qualifying Tribal lands
    + A one-time discount of up to $100 for a laptop, tablet, or desktop computer

    In May, 2021, the FCC approved a $7.2 billion program for schools and libraries to connect students in their homes.

    Congress to GAO

    + When establishing the EBB program, what measures did the FCC take to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse?

    +Given the waste, fraud, and abuse found by GAO in the past in the FCC’s Lifeline program, did the FCC include additional measures to correct those mistakes of past programs when establishing the EBB program?

    + Did the FCC’s Office of Economic and Analytics conduct a cost/benefit analysis of the EBB rules?

    + Administrative Costs: Under the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021, the FCC was permitted to use not more than 2 percent of the $3.2 billion fund to administer the EBB program.

    + Did the FCC adhere to this mandate? Is the FCC likely to fully comply with this mandate at the end of the program?

    + Did the FCC comply with all applicable contracting and acquisition requirements?

    + Were any contracting or acquisition requirements waived?

    + Of the amounts the FCC will expend to administer the program, what specific items will the funds be used for?

    + What is the total for administrative costs? How did FCC staff bill their time when working on the initial rulemaking?

    + Were any of the funds to administer the program provided to the Universal Service Administrative Company? If so, what was the amount of those funds and for what specific purposes were the funds used?

    + Eligibility Requirements: The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021, set specific requirements to determine eligibility for the EBB program.

    + Did the FCC adhere to the eligibility mandate?

    + In its order, the FCC stated that a “‘substantial loss of income’ includes the loss of a job, including a furlough, that is documented by a layoff or furlough notice, application for unemployment insurance benefits, or similar documentation.”

    + What guidance has the FCC provided regarding what constitutes “similar documentation,” and how was this guidance communicated to providers?

    + What processes has the FCC established for review of “similar documentation?” How will the FCC review documentation to ensure fraudulent claims are caught?

    + What processes has the FCC established for general review of the EBB program?

    + What measures has the FCC taken to ensure that distinct program eligibility requirements are maintained in the National Verifier and appropriately enforced?

    + How did the FCC determine individual and joint filers’ income for the year 2020? Did they work with the other expert agencies in making those determinations?

    + What steps did the FCC take to ensure timely termination of subsidies for service to individuals who are no longer able to use a qualifying service, for example due to death or incarceration?

    + Did the FCC create a process to ensure that once the subsidies made available under the EBB program are no longer available, individuals who would not otherwise qualify for other programs, like Lifeline, would not continue to receive other subsidies provided by the FCC?

    + Should Congress consider amending the eligibility requirements if additional funding to the program is considered?

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