2 Meter's Catch 22

SINCE I GOT BACK ON THE AIR AFTER HAVING DROPPED OUT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS I HAVE NOTICED QUITE A CHANGE IN THE LOCAL VHF/UHF SCENE.

1. THERE ARE A LOT MORE REPEATERS THAN WHEN I WAS FIRST LICENSED 27 YEARS AGO .
2. THERE ARE A LOT OF REPEATERS THAT USE PL. "TO ELIMINATE INTERFERENCE" AND CLAIMED TO BE "OPEN" THAT ARE ACTUALLY PL'ED TO KEEP "OUTSIDERS" OFF OF THEM.
3. THERE JUST IS NOT AS USE OF THE BANDS AS THERE WAS IN THE 70'S . I USED TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMEONE TO TALK TO AT ANY HOUR OF THE DAY OR NIGHT , NOW , I CAN LISTEN TO ONE OF THE MAJOR REPEATERS IN THIS AREA AND ALL I HEAR ALL NIGHT IS AN OCCASIONAL HOURLY ID UNTIL ABOUT 6 IN THE MORNING WHEN THE FIRST OF THE PEOPLE BOUND FOR WORK SHOW UP !

ALL REPEATERS SHOULD BE OPEN TO ALL USERS THAT WANT TO USE THEM , THERE IS NO NEED OR JUSTIFICATION TO A "PRIVATE" REPEATER FOR ANY PURPOSE.

THERE USED TO BE A VERY ACTIVE ATV (AMATEUR TELEVISION). REPEATER HERE ON 421.25. UPON THE DEATH OF THE HAM WHOSE CALL WAS USED FOR THE MACHINE , THE FREQUENCY WAS IMMEDIATELY "UNCOORDINATED " SO THAT MORE FM MACHINES COULD BE ASSIGNED IN THE SPACE IT USED.

THE ATV GROUP WAS TOLD THAT THEY WERE USING UP TOO MUCH VALUABLE SPECTRUM AND FM REPEATERS WERE A BETTER USE OF THE SPACE !

I CAN TUNE OVER THE 420-450 AREA HERE AND AM LUCKY TO HEAR ANY ACTIVITY AT ALL , WHILE THE OLD ATV MACHINE WAS ACTIVE EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK FOR A FEW HOURS AND ALL DAY ON WEEKENDS.

WHICH WAS THE BETTER USE OF THE SPECTRUM ?

I WOULD SAY THAT ATV WAS, BECAUSE IT ALLOWED MANY BEGINNERS TO GET INTO ATV WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AMONGST OTHER THINGS !

UHF ATV WAS USED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE NATIONAL DISASTER MEDICAL EXERCISES SO THAT LIVE VIDEO FROM THE VARIOUS SITES COULD BE RELAYED TO THE HQ. OF THE EXERCISE SO THAT INSTANT CRITIQUES
COULD BE MADE AS TO WHETHER A PARTICULAR PROCEDURE WAS REALLY USEFUL OR JUST A WASTE OF TIME AND MANPOWER.

OUR LOCAL REPEATER COUNCIL DECIDED THAT ALL THE ATV'ERS COULD MOVE TO 900 MHZ OR 1.2 GHZ EASIER THAN THE FM PEOPLE COULD, SO " ABRA CADABRA" NO MORE UHF TV REPEATER ! WHAT CAN I SAY ?

MIKE

KCØNBW

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (orangeweenie @ June 05 2002,22:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb5tuu @ May 16 2002,17:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ May 16 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K9DRX @ May 15 2002,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wr0t -- You are a JACK ASS!!!

Where the hell do you get off insulting technician class operators like you do?

Just because someone can't rattle off and decipher morse code at the drop of a hat makes them a less intelligent individual operating a CB??  That's a full load of CRAP.

I have a college education deeper than you could probably ever wish you had and I am only a Technician class operator.    Quite frankly, my family, job, and personal life just doesn't leave me with enough time to learn CW or care about it to be honest with you.  But that makes me a lower class of a human being to you!!!!   up yours!    I spent less than 1 MONTH listening to CB radio and finding no place for it in my life due to some serious non-intellectuals on the band.  I decided to take a tech test because I am very active in storm spotting and community events when I have time.   The last thing I need to listen to is another jerk-off like you who thinks he's better than everyone else because he has a code ticket.


[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
........... Now, this guy I like!!!!!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
ME too..... I had to vent like i have been and i shouldn't feed the trolls, but i can't help it![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I just wonder what is meant by a deeper college
education?


.....Orange[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
DEEPER ?

P.H.D. = PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER !

 

I HAVE JUST FINISHED READING  ALL THE POSTS UP TO THIS POINT  AND I HAVE A FEW MORE COMMENTS TO MAKE !

IN A REAL LIFE CASE OF SOMEONE HAVING TO USE A REPEATER TO OBTAIN HELP LATE AT NIGHT, WHERE ARE YOU MORE LIKELY TO FIND IT ?
ON A REPEATER THAT IS NOT IN USE , OR ON ONE THAT HAS A QSO IN PROGRESS ?

IF REPEATERS ARE FOR "EMERGENCY USE ONLY",
PERHAPS THEY SHOULD BE TURNED OFF UNTIL A SUITABLE EMERGENCY OCCURS !

AS FAR AS THE "OLD" EXTRAS REGARDING ANYONE THAT DID NOT PASS THE EXACT SAME TEST AS THEY DID AS BEING  SOMEHOW INFERIOR ,  I REMEMBER HEARING SOME OF THE OLD TIME GENERALS RUNNING DOWN
THESE YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPER EXTRAS WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERTHING ! "THEY COULD NEVER PASS THE TEST I TOOK BACK IN THE WINTER OF 1947"
THIS WAS BACK WHEN THE EXTRA CLASS WAS IMPLEMENTED IN THE LATE 60'S !

I WAS FIRST LICENSED IN 1975 , I EVENTUALLY DROPPED OUT FOR LACK OF INTEREST AND MONEY AMONGST OTHER REASONS. AM I LESS OF A "AMATEUR" TODAY BECAUSE I DID NOT PASS THE EXACT SAME TEST THAT I TOOK IN 75 ?

IS THE GUY THAT SAT NEXT TO ME WHEN I TOOK THE TEST THIS TIME LESS OF A HAM THAN I AM BECAUSE HIS TEST SHEET HAD A DIFFERENT (AND I'M SURE , A LOT EASIER) SET OF QUESTIONS ON IT ? !!!

" YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HARD IS, WHEN I WAS A YOUNGSTER I HAD TO WALK 5 MILES TO SCHOOL , UPHILL BOTH WAYS !!!"

IT IS JUST HUMAN NATURE TO THINK THAT ANYONE THAT DID NOT DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU DID
SOMEHOW CHEATED OR HAD SOME OTHER  EASIER WAY
TO THE END RESULTS.

TRUTHFULLY, HOW MANY OF YOU "OLD" EXTRAS WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERJOYED TO FIND OUT THAT THE EXTRA TEST WAS AS EASY AS YOU THINK TODAY'S TEST IS ?

HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN TAKEN THE CURRENT SAMPLE TEST FOR THE EXTRA AND PASSED IT ?

BETTER YET, HOW MANY OF YOU COULD TAKE THE EXACT SAME TEST YOU TOOK IN 1968 AND PASS IT TODAY ? WITHOUT EXTENSIVE STUDYING ?

NOT VERY MANY !

YOU ALSO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE RULES HAVE CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THEN AND THE TESTS ARE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY.

I KNOW A COUPLE OF EXTRAS THAT WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME PASSING  THE TEST TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT KEPT UP ON THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY.

HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE CAN TELL ME HOW MANY HF HAM BANDS THERE ARE ?  THIS IS FOR ALL CLASSES, NOT JUST " OLD" EXTRAS

I THINK THAT MOST OF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION CORRECTLY WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP SOMEWHERE !

SOMEONE ASKED ME THAT QUESTION A FEW WEEKS BACK AND I GOT IT WRONG !

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 60 METER PROPOSED EXPANSION.

                                                 KCØNBW

YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT I HAVE THE ZERO WITH A SLASH THROUGH IT !

ANY OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE NET!!!!!

 

"ANY OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE NET!!!!!"

To KC0NBW:

Sir, this is not a flame but the last statement is a little shakey when you have to use CAPS for everything you write. In net terms, you are yelling right now.

73

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD4LEI @ July 08 2002,06:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"ANY OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE NET!!!!!"

To KC0NBW:

Sir, this is not a flame but the last statement is a little shakey when you have to use CAPS for everything you write.  In net terms, you are yelling right now.

73[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I USE CAPS FOR EVERTHING I WRITE BECAUSE I HAVE AN OLD MONITOR THAT IS NOT VERY BRIGHT AND BECAUSE I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN !

THE COMMENT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO GENERATE Ø WAS A BIT OF SARCASM DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO PRESUME TO BE SUPERIOR TO OTHERS BECAUSE OF SOME IMAGE IN THEIR HEAD THAT THEY DID THINGS THE HARD WAY WHILE THE OTHERS CHEATED OR SOMEHOW FOUND A WAY AROUND THE NORMAL PROCEDURES.

OR THAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE A BETTER EDUCATION
AND THAT MAKES THEM SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE ELSE !

I HAVE NOTICED THAT A GOOD PORTION OF THE PEOPLE ON THE NET ARE VERY POOR AT SPELLING , BUT I HAVE NEVER MADE ANY COMMENTS TO THEM ABOUT IT.

I GUESS THAT I REALLY DON'T CARE WHETHER THEY KNOW HOW TO SPELL OR NOT , AS LONG AS I CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY MEAN !

IF AND WHEN I CAN AFFORD A NEW 50" MONITOR , I MAY START USING MIXED CASE, AND THEN AGAIN, I MAY NOT.

I LIVE ON A PENSION FROM THE V.A. THAT IS BELOW THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL , AND I CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY TO HAVE THE COMPUTER AND HAM EQUIPMENT I HAVE NOW !

REMEMBER, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE CASH TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE LATEST EQUIPMENT

IN THE LAST 2 YEARS I HAVE BEEN ON THE NET, ONLY 1 PERSON HAS MADE A COMMENT ABOUT MY USE OF UPPER CASE , THAT WOULD SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY ARE REALLY NOT CONCERNED.

IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT "YELLING" WOULD BE THE NAME CALLING AND OTHER INCONSIDERATE THINGS I SEE USED HERE , NOT WHETHER I USE ALL CAPS OR NOT.

THE KEYBOARD ON MY FIRST 386 HAD NON FUNCTIONAL SHIFT KEYS AND SOME "CONCERNED" USER ON A LOCAL BB GOT ON ME FOR ALL LOWER CASE .

TO QUOTE RICK NELSON'S GARDEN PARTY SONG

"YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERBODY , SO YOU'VE GOT TO PLEASE YOURSELF"

1. NOBODY'S PERFECT.
2. I AM NOBODY.
3. THEREFORE, I AM PERFECT ! RIGHT ?

KCØNBW

 

I AM STILL WAITING TO SEE IF ANYONE CATCHES THE DELIBERATE TYPO I MADE IN MY LAST POST !

 

Well at least you were kind enough to state why you use caps. From the other messages on here, things do get a lot worse.

A pension that affords you only enough to get by doesn't make you any less a person. I do agree with you on who had it worse than another person had and that supposedly makes them better.

73's and have a good one!
KD4LEI

 

Hey, never mind about my post. I see now that nothing really matters. 2 meters is exactly the same as CB. Thought it might be better, but it's not...it's the same. Darn, waisted ten bucks!

 

I HEARD THE SAME LINE " TWO METERS IS JUST LIKE CB " 27 YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS FIRST LICENCED. I ALSO HEARD THE SAME STORY ABOUT EVERY OTHER HAM BAND !

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN CB BEHAVIOR OCCURS ON THE HAM BANDS, BUT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AS OFTEN OR GENERALLY AS LONG AS IT DOES ON CB.

IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HEAR ABOUT ASSAULTS RESULTING FROM DISAGREEMENTS ON CB , THERE HAVE EVEN BEEN SEVERAL MURDERS !

I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT COULD NOT HAPPEN ON THE HAM BANDS, BUT IT IS FAR LESS LIKELY.

IF YOU TRULY THINK THAT YOU WASTED YOUR MONEY FOR THE HAM LICENCE , I SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOULD GET INVOLVED IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE ASPECT OF AMATEUR RADIO, YOU WILL FIND THAT THINGS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE ANTICS ON CB.

IF YOU HEAR SOMEONE ON ANY FREQUENCY DOING THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT YOU HEAR ON 11 METERS,JUST IGNORE THEM AND GO TO ANOTHER FREQUENCY.

MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE JUST LOOKING FOR AN AUDIENCE, AND THEY JUST KEEP IT UP IF YOU TRY TO TALK TO THEM.

THERE WAS SOMEONE JAMMING A LOCAL REPEATER ONE TIME, AND A FRIEND OF MINE AND I WERE LISTENING ON MY HT.

I KEYED UP AND "CALLED" MY FRIEND, AND THEN HANDED THE HT TO HIM ! HE GOT THE IDEA AND "ANSWERED" ME !

WE DID THIS FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, AND WHEN THE JAMMER COULD NOT INTERFERE WITH US, HE FINALLY GAVE UP AND WENT AWAY !

YES, THERE ARE PROBLEMS ON ALL OF THE HAM BANDS, BUT THEY ARE NOT AS BAD AS YOU THINK THEY ARE.



KCØNBW

 

The Reason No One is On the Repeaters anymore, Is they are all here on QRZ Bitchin and Moaning LOL
my $00.03 1/2 cents

De N0SCC

Whoops Did I say That ?

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (k8cpa @ May 16 2002,12:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As much as this is gonna sound like I'm being an A$$hole... but to me, 2 meters is nothing but a glorfied CB Radio band...

I've been licensed for 12 years and I've watched as the 2 meter band went from being a half way respectable Band for Amateur Radio communcations, to a Glorfied CB band... if I had a nickle for everytime some said, "QSL...QSL..." instead of Okay, or fine business...

These no-coders are usless radio operators... I guess the old-timers are right about the "Dumbin' Down" of the hobby.....


This is why I was so happy when the FCC decided to refarm the Licensing Structure... I went to HF, At there, the operaters of some sort of a CLUE!

I also do ALOT of CW, I'd rather talk to a older Operator, who has some sort of a brain, than some no-code 2 meter geek...

Let the flames begin!

73 es CUL and GUD DX!

De K8CPA -Chuck

...-.-  ..


[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Chukkee,

the very fact that you use the profanity, even with the $$ signs speaks well of you going far beyond just "sounding" like one.

Face it Chukkee. You spend your time insulting and making physical threats, etc, to others all over the internet, you aint gonna have a lotta buddies.

Your most recent threat, to beat people up at the Sept. 8th Findlay, Ohio hamfest, which you posted to the newsgroup rec.radio.cb, has been fowarded to your ISP for further action.

If all you can do is threaten people and tell lies about having a concealed weapon permit, gang affiliation, etc., in an attempt to somehow scare people who actually see you as nothing more than a deep mouth and a shallow mind, it is no wonder that you keep seeing the consequences of your actions being ostracism and ridicule.

You have threatened beatings and shootings, you have cursed and reviled people who disagree with you. you denied that you sold illegal amplifers to cb'ers. All of this is documented. Your lies about the amps were disproven by previous posts offering the items for sale to CB'ers. Your ISP cancelled your at&t service when you threatened to shoot up my home and rape my wife and daughter. You have bragged about having this done to people before as well.

Most people you meet think you have some sort of deep mental problem that makes you quite unstable. They also ridicule you behind your back for your behavior. Rightly so as your behavior is ridiculous.

Go ahead and rant about "no code this and no code that".
Do you have any idea that the vast majority of amateurs find your actions childish and bordering on some sort of psychological disturbance? Doubtful that you do, as people in your state of mind are most concerned with puffing themselves up with some stupid rant that they think will validate them. You have picked the wrong rant, the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong forum, and the wrong people.

Go away, Chukkee...treatment is just a phone call away.