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Progressive Changes at the ARRL

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I see nothing in the carried motions that is unreasonable, and certainly nothing here that is "PROGRESSIVE" as in the modern usage-- read: 'progressive' ='socio-communistic'.

Can we stop calling this news update a socialistic initiative , please?

There is nothing political here in the minutes and shouldn't be.

Charity is a universal notion that is always a great thing,

OK?

73
Chip W1YW

W1YW, Mar 1, 2021

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W9EBE said: ↑

While, throughout my 51 years of being a ham, I have not always agreed with some of the things that the ARRL has promoted/done, I nonetheless say thank you, ARRL, for being the one (and only) organization that continues to bring to the forefront the importance and value of the Amateur Radio Service to our legislators. By doing so, our chances of keeping the Service viable, thus, alive (and hopefully growing) are certainly greater than if no organization did so.

Is the ARRL perfect? Of course not. What/who is?

Let's not view the necessary changes of the ARRL's direction/focus to better accommodate the ever-changing demographic of the ham community as being "liberal." Isn't there already enough divisiveness pervading our society at-large?

Instead, I suggest that we hams attempt to understand that those changes are good things to better the possibility for the Amateur Radio Service's survival for many years to come.

As an ARRL member, I invite those non-members who constantly downplay the value of "the League" to reassess their negative opinions of the ARRL, and instead put those efforts to better the Amateur Radio Service as participating members whose voices are (more often than not) clearly heard.

Again, is the ARRL perfect? Of course not. But, together, we can steer it to becoming a more perfect organization.

Think about it.
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Many have tried to change the league to no avail for decades. Mainly because many support it no matter what the ARRL does. I was a member for years then woke up that it cannot be changed as the leadership is entrenched and self protection is their only goal. They had no problem taking money under the employee protection plan and push to be exempt from repayment now. None of that advances the state of the art just the state of enhancing the clique that runs it.

N1IPU, Mar 1, 2021

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WA3VJB said: ↑

On the face of it, the FCC has not identified why it seeks to review the existing system. It looks like an answer in search of a problem. Only a handful of Comments were filed in the FCC's Public Record, none of which makes a compelling case to do much of anything.
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BINGO!

NL7W, Mar 1, 2021

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N8ZI said: ↑

The ARRL claims to be a not for profit entity yet has over $36 million in assets.

Their annual budget is $15.5 million yearly or $1.3 million a month.

I wonder who pockets that cash flow being that a vast majority of workers are volunteers.

http://www.arrl.org/annual-reports
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you misunderstand: nonprofit means does not pay out to shareholders. it does not mean revenue neutral, runs at a loss, or destitute. it's a tax filing status..

K6CLS, Mar 1, 2021

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Its just a podcast, (and not an ARRL one). Love them or hate them, no one else is doing anything for ham radio except them. I support them and I am a member.

KI7WL, Mar 1, 2021

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W0PV said: ↑

The use of "Progressive" in the OP title can be cleverly misleading. Is it meant as an adjective or a noun?

The perception varies significantly around the globe. In the UK it's different then in the USA, where it has recently become a highly charged political "dog-whistle".

Unless they say otherwise, I'll cut some slack for the originators, Martin @M1MRB and Colin @M6BOY. They probably didn't realize that on a primarily American audience forum that word would function as inflammatory click-bait ... or perhaps they did .

Nonetheless embarrassing for the Zed too, putting it in the unfortunate position as a front page promoter of political "fake news".
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KB6NU is not British...

W1YW, Mar 1, 2021

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N0TZU said: ↑

No need to wonder, if you would bother to look beyond just a few line items.

The financial statements are in the annual report, and you can see the major salaries of employees and other spending information on the public record IRS Form 990 which is also available on the ARRL website.
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Yes I read that myself.

N8ZI, Mar 1, 2021

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K6CLS said: ↑

you misunderstand: nonprofit means does not pay out to shareholders. it does not mean revenue neutral, runs at a loss, or destitute. it's a tax filing status..
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I am fully aware of nonprofit and not-for-profit organizations and how they are used as a tax exempt loophole.
Also the ARRL cannot claim to be a nonprofit organization because they do attempt to influence State, local and Federal legislation.

N8ZI, Mar 1, 2021

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I know some folks are not happy about the ARRL paying for 'under 18' application fees for members, and think that money should be spent elsewhere.

What some are not considering is that donors may have earmarked the funds for that specific purpose. Likely the board acted based on that.

73
Chip W1YW

W1YW, Mar 2, 2021

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W1YW said: ↑

I know some folks are not happy about the ARRL paying for 'under 18' application fees for members, and think that money should be spent elsewhere.

What some are not considering is that donors may have earmarked the funds for that specific purpose. Likely the board acted based on that.

73
Chip W1YW
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Unless you know something the rest of us don't, I am going to have to say "ah, we don't know that."

N0DZQ, Mar 2, 2021

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N8ZI said: ↑

I am fully aware of nonprofit and not-for-profit organizations and how they are used as a tax exempt loophole.
Also the ARRL cannot claim to be a nonprofit organization because they do attempt to influence State, local and Federal legislation.
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Ahh, ok.

Yes, and no.

Strictly the 501c3 shouldn't do any "influencing". Practically though, the IRS applies both a subjective and objective test. The majority of the organization activities must not be "influencing".

Many other 501c3 orgs do a little bit, ARRL can too.

K6CLS, Mar 2, 2021

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N8ZI said: ↑

I am fully aware of nonprofit and not-for-profit organizations and how they are used as a tax exempt loophole.
Also the ARRL cannot claim to be a nonprofit organization because they do attempt to influence State, local and Federal legislation.
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A limited amount of lobbying is allowed.

See: https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?th...-lobby-congress-for-arrl.689555/#post-5337638

Lobbying doesn't include working with administrative bodies (such as the FCC) which is mostly what ARRL gets involved with.

See 2nd paragraph at : https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying

N0TZU, Mar 2, 2021

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W9EBE said: ↑

While, throughout my 51 years of being a ham, I have not always agreed with some of the things that the ARRL has promoted/done, I nonetheless say thank you, ARRL, for being the one (and only) organization that continues to bring to the forefront the importance and value of the Amateur Radio Service to our legislators. By doing so, our chances of keeping the Service viable, thus, alive (and hopefully growing) are certainly greater than if no organization did so.

Is the ARRL perfect? Of course not. What/who is?

Let's not view the necessary changes of the ARRL's direction/focus to better accommodate the ever-changing demographic of the ham community as being "liberal." Isn't there already enough divisiveness pervading our society at-large?

Instead, I suggest that we hams attempt to understand that those changes are good things to better the possibility for the Amateur Radio Service's survival for many years to come.

As an ARRL member, I invite those non-members who constantly downplay the value of "the League" to reassess their negative opinions of the ARRL, and instead put those efforts to better the Amateur Radio Service as participating members whose voices are (more often than not) clearly heard.

Again, is the ARRL perfect? Of course not. But, together, we can steer it to becoming a more perfect organization.

Think about it.
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K1LKP, Mar 2, 2021

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N8ZI said: ↑

ARRL Liberal Progressive Changes is when the existing members are threatened and extorted into training and funding licenses for Newbies, buying and setting up equipment for the Newbies and giving the Newbies awards for doing nothing.
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Have you actually been "threatened and extorted"?

KE8QEP, Mar 2, 2021

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Hmmmm. What button do I press next to update the post... Aha! There it is...

K6BRN, Mar 2, 2021

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