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2 Meters … The New CB Band Of Interference?

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by WB4IME, Nov 5, 2018.

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  1. KM1MT

    KM1MT Ham Member QRZ Page

    One of the issues that I don't believe has been discussed yet is that some percentage of these pilots are students working with an instructor, and the instructor is working for or running a business.
    It is at that point (student getting first 10 or so mountain flights) one most needs the clear communication with an instructor. The first few high mountain flights are pretty exciting (well it never gets old, but the first flights can be intense for a newbie); the instructor needs to be able to talk the student through the flight and to a safe approach to landing. But the business side of it puts the damper on using 2m. Once a pilot is off and flying on their own it would be fine.
     
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  2. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yeah openly available cheapo Ham HT's so easily integrated with BT now is a seductive package.

    I have not yet heard any such activity around here on Ham bands. But I know there is an active PG community, my dentists husband is a PG instructor. I may check out their haunts this weekend. And then there is the EAA Sun N'Fun next year.

    The newly appointed ARRL Rocky Mountain Division Director ought to amble on down to the HQ of the USHPA quickly to assist and enlist them in a partnership.
     
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  3. K4KWH

    K4KWH Ham Member QRZ Page

    The suggestions to try to encourage legal use of 2M is fine. Failing that, and for those that feel that "AH doan need no stinkin' license to tawk on them channels", then the solution is USE. Get other actual hams on the air. Deliberately hold QSO's on the frequencies the illegals are choosing on 2M. Hold simplex nets on them as well. Make calls to other hams during their operations whether the stations are on the air or not. Doing so shows them that the frequencies are active and in use. You do NOT have to justify your use to them; they have no right to BE there to start with. Do not talk directly to them, but you can hold QSOs ABOUT their activities with other hams such as the fact that such use IS illegal and that *you* will have no choice but to report their illegal use to FCC. They will do one , or more, of several things. 1) stop using 2 Meters, 2) get the license, 3) attempt to engage you, 4) talk smart to you, 5) move to another channel (at which time you follow them and keep talking amongst yourselves.

    Let me see----where did I put that 2 Meter amp I've been storing? ;)
     
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  4. KM1H

    KM1H Ham Member QRZ Page

    And astronauts for decades now.

    Carl
     
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  5. W4MHZ

    W4MHZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well, you see, this isn't really about their use of the HAM bands. This is an advert for paragliding. That should be obvious.
     
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  6. WA6AM

    WA6AM Ham Member QRZ Page

    I see something like that fly by me ……...I say "PULL"!
     
  7. KG5PTE

    KG5PTE Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    I agree that using these VHF frequencies is wrong. But to Stereotype people that talk on 11 meters (CB Radio) as rouge law breakers is wrong. I still use CB Radio and have no plan to stop. But I do operate it legally. And use it to help communicate traffic conditions on the I-35 corridor here in Central Texas. But yes there are a lot of CB operaters that operate illegally just like some Hams operate on HF and use profanity. 73's for now KG5PTE on the Ham Radio Gearbox on the CB.
     
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  8. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Part of the problem is that a lot of hams call the Amateur Radio Service a hobby.
    It is a service.

    Using the service certainly may be a hobby to many operators, but calling it
    "only a hobby"
    "the hobby"
    "it's just a hobby" ​
    paves the way to disrespect for ham radio as a licensed service.

    That is certainly part of the root problem in this particular situation :)
     
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  9. AC8KW

    AC8KW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Are you serious ? I was going to write a long dissertation on this matter but I can't stop laughing :)
     
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  10. K7JEM

    K7JEM Ham Member QRZ Page

    But it IS a hobby, and "only" a hobby since it can't be anything other than a hobby.

    The FCC calls all divisions of radio a "service", because that is the definition of service that they are using, " an administrative division (as of a government or business) "
     
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  11. AG6QR

    AG6QR Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    By calling it a service, you bring it to the level of the CB Radio Service, or the kid's blister pack Family Radio Service. The FCC calls every use of the airwaves a service, so it's not as though that term carries any connotation of being worthy or good.

    The definition of a hobby is something done without pecuniary interest, and that aspect of our hobby is written into the rules.

    I think either term is accurate. What's not accurate is belief that the term "service" somehow sets us apart from any of the other services that the FCC regulates.
     
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  12. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Please point out the word "hobby" in an ITU or FCC official regulatory definition, basis, and purpose of the Amateur Radio Service.
    Just the facts.
    A link to the ITU or FCC document text would be fine.
     
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  13. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    "Without pecuniary interest" is not the definition of hobby.
    Actually, there are many hobbies that involve quite a lot of pecuniary interest.
    So, that fact in itself deflates your hobby horse :)
     
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  14. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    USA: Code of Federal Regulations
    Title 47 → Chapter I → Subchapter D → Part 97
    Title 47: Telecommunication
    Subpart A—General Provisions
    FCC PART 97—AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE

    §97.1 Basis and purpose.

    The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:
    (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
    (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
    (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.
    (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
    (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.​

    §97.3 Definitions.
    (a) The definitions of terms used in part 97 are:
    (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur operator/primary license station grant on the ULS consolidated licensee database to be the control operator of an amateur station.
    (2) Amateur radio services. The amateur service, the amateur-satellite service and the radio amateur civil emergency service.
    (4) Amateur service. A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training, intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by amateurs, that is, duly authorized persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.
    (5) Amateur station. A station in an amateur radio service consisting of the apparatus necessary for carrying on radiocommunications.

    ITU - Radio Regulations ITU_R-REG-RR-2016
    Articles, Edition of 2016

    ARTICLE 1
    Terms and definitions
    Section I – General terms


    1.56
    amateur service:
    A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training, intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.​
     
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  15. K7JEM

    K7JEM Ham Member QRZ Page

    The word "amateur" itself means "hobbiest" in almost all dictionaries online. If you do something for your own personal aim, and without pecuniary interest, then you have a hobby.

    I think you need to point out when amateur radio is "not a hobby". That will be hard to do.
     

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