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17 Meter CONTEST

Discussion in 'Contests, DXpeditions, QSO Parties, Special Events' started by W2MFT/SK2023, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. W2MFT/SK2023

    W2MFT/SK2023 Ham Member QRZ Page

    Has anyone heard anything about the planned contest on 17 Meters by the following group!

    I posted the news on my DX blog....can someone explain this activity which was supposed to be prohibited on the WARC Bands.

    Article at: https://wnydxa.blogspot.com/

    Thanks
    Doc
    W2MFT
     
    W2MFT/SK2023, Feb 14, 2018
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  2. W7UUU

    W7UUU Director, QRZ Forums Lifetime Member 133 QRZ HQ Staff Life Member QRZ Page

    He says over and over "this is not a contest"

    From the link: "Exchange: because this is a QSO event, not a contest, you can talk about whatever you want, in any language, and for as long as you like. Here are some topic suggestions to get the conversation going: name, city, locator, weather, antennas, rigs, etc.
    Also talk about QSL interchange"

    Contests aren't "prohibited" on 17 meters - it's just by amateur agreement not to do it. And this is just an operating event to encourage more usage of 17 meters.

    What's not to like? I think it sounds fun :)

    Dave
    W7UUU
     
    W7UUU, Feb 14, 2018
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  3. W2MFT/SK2023

    W2MFT/SK2023 Ham Member QRZ Page

    I disagree....If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
    You will see that ARRL activites do not take place on the warc bands...Stupid Idea!
     
    W2MFT/SK2023, Feb 14, 2018
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  4. W7UUU

    W7UUU Director, QRZ Forums Lifetime Member 133 QRZ HQ Staff Life Member QRZ Page

    Your opinion has been duly noted

    And so has mine :)

    Dave
    W7UUU
     
    W7UUU, Feb 14, 2018
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  5. WG7X

    WG7X Platinum Subscriber Platinum Subscriber QRZ Page

    Mark,

    Looking at your QRZ page it would appear, as least on the surface, that you know the difference between a contest and an operating event.

    So why the angst?

    If someone stirs up activity on a WARC band that should not be a bad thing, and it sure does not sound like a contest from here.

    As Dave mentioned, your opinion has been duly noted. We are free to disagree, right?
     
    WG7X, Feb 14, 2018
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  6. KJ3N

    KJ3N Ham Member QRZ Page

    And dismissed as another crank, tilting at windmills. :rolleyes:
     
    KJ3N, Feb 14, 2018
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  7. W7UUU

    W7UUU Director, QRZ Forums Lifetime Member 133 QRZ HQ Staff Life Member QRZ Page

    ZERO "awards" are mentioned either - all contests that I'm aware of have an awards structure....

    Exchange: because this is a QSO event, not a contest, you can talk about whatever you want, in any language, and for as long as you like. Here are some topic suggestions to get the conversation going: name, city, locator, weather, antennas, rigs, etc.
    Also talk about QSL interchange. Tell the truth. Say "no, thanks" if you are not interested in QSL cards. But if you would like to have a memory of your contact, feel free to use our EuroBureauQSL (see below).
    Logs: for statistic purposes only, we ask participants to submit their logs to party@eurao.org in ADIF format, where the filename should be your callsign (e.g. EA3RKF.ADI).
    There will be no results or league tables, only statistical information about number of QSOs, countries, callsigns, OMs/YLs/Clubs, etc.
    Certificate of Participation: for those sending the log and with a minimum of 10% QSOs confirmed.
    EuroBureauQSL: you can use it to interchange QSLs even if you are not member. In this case, just send the QSL to the entry pointof the country of the station you have contacted.


    Dave
    W7UUU
     
    W7UUU, Feb 14, 2018
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  8. KL7AJ

    KL7AJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    There is actually no "legal" prohibition against contests on WARC bands.....ARRL has just declined to sponsor any contests on them. No restrictions on other entities....other than abject shame. :p)
     
    KL7AJ, Feb 14, 2018
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  9. W2MFT/SK2023

    W2MFT/SK2023 Ham Member QRZ Page

    Personal attacks are the best you can do?
    I find it interesting that the best you can do is a personal attack...That usually means you have nothing to contribute to the discussion of an issue
     
    W2MFT/SK2023, Feb 14, 2018
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  10. KJ3N

    KJ3N Ham Member QRZ Page

    That's because there is no issue, except in your fevered imagination. :rolleyes:
     
    KJ3N, Feb 14, 2018
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  11. WA3QGD

    WA3QGD Ham Member QRZ Page

    so how is selling a certificate not a contest related prohibited non pecuniary prohibited part 97 activity?
     
    WA3QGD, Feb 14, 2018
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  12. K3XR

    K3XR Ham Member QRZ Page

    97:3 (4)
    Amateur service.
    A radiocommunication service for
    the purpose of self-training,
    intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by amateurs, that
    is, duly authorized persons
    interested in radio technique solely with
    a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.

    That's about radio operating has nothing to do with submitting a log of contacts along with a fee for the purpose of receiving an award. There are a number of groups or organizations that charge a fee for certificates or awards.

    This from the QRZ awards forum.
    • Do you offer award certificates?
    Yes! Once you have achieved an award, you will be emailed with a link to purchase a certificate, and a link will always exist on the "Awards" tab of your callsign page."
     
    K3XR, Feb 14, 2018
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  13. KJ3N

    KJ3N Ham Member QRZ Page

    Since when does a European organization have to adhere to Part 97? o_O
     
    KJ3N, Feb 14, 2018
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  14. W7UUU

    W7UUU Director, QRZ Forums Lifetime Member 133 QRZ HQ Staff Life Member QRZ Page

    DX-pedition stations sell certificates to cover the costs of the event. Special event stations sell certificates to cover the cost of printing them.

    This is absolutely NOTHING new.

    If you feel however there is an FCC violation, start here: https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/amateur-radio-complaints but only if the station was in the USA

    Posting on an internet forum however will do anything to change what you heard.

    But I do wish you luck - paying for certificates and even QSL cards is not remotely new to amateur radio, including on WARC bands. The odds of even getting a reply back from the FCC are so close to zero as to be zero.

    Dave
    W7UUU
     
    W7UUU, Feb 14, 2018
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  15. KP4SX

    KP4SX Ham Member QRZ Page

    Id say the odds are infinitely less than zero :)
     
    KP4SX, Feb 14, 2018
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