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Ham Radio - The Advantage of DStar and DMR Modes

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G4YDM, Nov 3, 2016.

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  1. G4YDM

    G4YDM Guest

    Ham Radio is a fascinating hobby, but what are the advantages of D-star and DMR modes?

    There are many different interests within the umbrella name of Ham Radio. People communicate with other like-minded people around the world using the Internal Short Wave bands. Ham Radio Operators equipment include H.F., (High Frequency), transceivers covering several of the Ham Band allocations, and many use Yagi aerials with three, four and sometimes six elements, to not only transmit their power out to the receiving station, but also to receive weak signals form lesser equipped ham radio Operators using simple aerial systems such as dipoles or vertical radiators. These aerial elements can be thirty three feet long when covering the twenty metre Ham Band, if the elements are widely spaced between each other at say point two of a wavelength, the distance between the elements is four point two metres, a very large aerial indeed.

    Many Radio Hams who I have spoken to around the World have sixty feet high towers with multi element aerial as described above. You need a lot of space for such an aerial, and planning permission to go along with it.

    D-Star and DMR are Ham Radio modes which are gaining in popularity, because the problems associated with having a large aerial do not exist, signals on D-star and DMR do not rely of the ionosphere to propagate signal around the World, they use laser light and data packets used to facilitate the International World wide web.

    Many elderly radio Hams who have moved from their long term family homes, into small apartments, where outside aerials are not allowed, are finding that their interest in communication can still continue, using D-star or DMR modes of communication. The digital mode also has a great advantage over traditional propagation. You need propagation to be working in your favour when using High Frequency bands. If there is no propagation on a particular Ham Band, you simply do not hear any signals. D-star and DMR modes rely on the efficiency of the Internet, offering Radio Hams Worldwide communication without the need for natural reflection and refraction of the transmitted signal via the Earth's Ionosphere.

    Handheld transceivers capable of Digital transmission are now freely available from many of the Ham Radio retailers. Their transmissions are converted from standard analogue voice signals via voice encoders built into the hand set, these transmissions are picked up via local repeaters that are connected with each other to form a Worldwide network, if you do not live beside a D-star or DMR repeater you easily can turn your home based computer into a repeater with inexpensive add-on technology, they do the same job as a nearby repeater does.

    John Allsopp G4YDM https://www.qrz.com/lookup

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  2. KT4NR

    KT4NR Ham Member QRZ Page

    For the sake of discussion I might further your argument by noting the current banafits specific to each mode. DStar audio may not be the best but no one comes close to the 1.2 GHz data simplicity. DRATS and related slow speed software are also quite useful. So DStar Data modes are really good.

    DMR has the benefit of better audio and the benefit of efficiency. You can make better use of the spectrum by integrating multiple conversations at the same time. Tetra does 4 and DMR does 2 time slots but Tetra has not taken off. (Think it is a cost and complexity thing.)

    I think the combination of the two modes, as you note above, really do benefit folks in a variety of ways and open new doors for those who can't do HF.

    Good article.
     
  3. KL7KN

    KL7KN Ham Member QRZ Page

    So, if I get this correctly - D-Star and DMR use a small, hand-held device, and communicate - digitally - world-wide over an interconnected network on very low power.

    Cool, I have the same exact thing. It's called a cell phone. Initial investment - $24.95 USD.

    This is not to harsh on the OP, just to wonder if using a different named thing (cell phone = D-Star) radio to do much the same thing is a hobby. I get that folks don't have acres for huge towers and clouds of Al up in the air. I certainly don't.

    But 5 watts, a bit of wire and a day in the park is much more 'fun' that using a cell phone to talk with someone. And if I happen to be someplace -say, remote Alaska, where the infrastructure for D-Star/DMR or the Internet for that matter, just doesn't exist...I can still have fun with my little HF radio, a bit of wire and some time.

    (Shrug) Hams are hams for their own reasons. I guess that's one reason the hobby can be so much fun.
     
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  4. G3SEA

    G3SEA Ham Member QRZ Page

     
  5. G3SEA

    G3SEA Ham Member QRZ Page

    IRLP and Echolink have been providing the access mentioned for over a Decade.

    DSTAR HT''s are considerably more expensive compared to your vanilla NBFM HT's.

    All the new systems ie DSTAR ,DMR, Fusion,C4 etc,etc tend to spread the available user pool over these systems thus resulting in lower activity on each system ( unless a conference links them up ).

    G3SEA/KH6
     
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  6. K8WRS

    K8WRS Ham Member QRZ Page

    G3SEA makes common sense for those without big bucks in their pocket for a proprietary system.
    Echo Link provides a large following and you know who is available to contact when you log in.
    Thank you for a simple answer for the new operators that may not know about a free program that provides communication for all.
    K8WRS
     
  7. KC1FNM

    KC1FNM Ham Member QRZ Page

    I really like the idea of DMR, but I must admit I'm kind of disappointed with the general lack of activity....even on the larger groups!
    I hope this changes.
     
  8. N8PC

    N8PC Ham Member QRZ Page


    you can also use DSTAR on HF it is built into the IC-7100 and is a module for the Ic-9100 called DV Mode Digital Voice which can be used even at 5 watts. DSTAR does not require internet to work you can link more than 1 site together over the airwaves and still get thru.
     
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  9. N8PC

    N8PC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Also forgot to mention you can use DSTAR thru satellites as well. you can't do that with DMR.
     
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  10. WA7PRC

    WA7PRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    How do I use the "Internal Short Wave bands"?
    This first and only post from a new user smells like spam.


     
  11. W5AOX

    W5AOX Ham Member QRZ Page

    No one mentioned that digital voice, while offering noise free audio under nominal conditions, drops out when signals are not optimal. You cannot "open the squelch" to hear a marginal signal with Dstar.. Digital TV suffers from the same problem. Signal fades a bit and the video pixellates & goes blank, eventually the audio too..... with analog we could continue to watch the show even if there was static and color snow on the screen. I have yet to read or hear of any actual "advantage" Dstar or other digital audio modes offer that isn't already available with your trusty ancient VHF-FM transceiver (APRS, Echolink, IRLP, et al)
     
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  12. KD2WA

    KD2WA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Let me say that 33 years in ham radio taught me enough about electronics AND computers to make me a career without a college degree. I put up DSTAR repeater in September 2006, number 25 in America at time when a system was $4000. If all of my learning stopped at VHF/UHF analog FM, I would have fallen behind the times of the rest of the world. Doing "digital" has helped me learn more about networking and the internet, which makes the world go around today. There is a lot more technical going on behind the scenes of "digital" than a piece of wire and 5 watts. The excitement of bouncing a signal off the ionosphere ended for me about 30 years ago. You can only tell someone they are 59 so many times and it gets old. While I don't desire to debate DSTAR versus DMR, versus don't forget Fusion, I'm in process of making all three talk to each other without conversion to analog. In the mean time, while VHF/UHF analog repeaters in Western NY state are becoming increasingly DEAD, I can leave work at 11pm any day of the week and talk to someone in Australia or California crystal clear - yes like my cellphone! If I tried using my cellphone to call some random person to talk to on the way home at 11pm, they would probably hang up on me. Ham radio needs digital. Otherwise it is a legacy hobby which is being replaced by the "makers" of today.
     
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  13. K6FED

    K6FED Ham Member QRZ Page

    Very well put. The repeaters in the west are pretty much dead here also. And since there is so little activity new hams are quickly loosening interest. The digital modes are a great way to keep some new hams interested. As for the cell phone a friend of mine once told me, "I use my cell phone to talk to family and friends and ham radio to make new friends."
     
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  14. WE0IRD

    WE0IRD Ham Member QRZ Page

     
  15. WE0IRD

    WE0IRD Ham Member QRZ Page

    I tried using Echolink for awhile, as it was a way of getting a taste of HF operating before I got my General license. Problem was, I could only raise a couple of gentlemen in the UK, and while they were Delightful, I wanted more QSOs. But no one amswered my CQs.... I know what IRLP is (I think) but never used it. The new digital modes do look intriguing however, and DMR is taking on usefulness for Emcomm in Iowa amongst storm spotters and emergency managers. Since I know more about computers than I do antennas at this point, it's a good thing for me. :D
     

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