7O6T - Yemen Approved For DXCC Credit

I seem to recall that when i was first licensed in the 1960s, there were countries that US operators could not work. That was probably academic, because I doubt any of those countries actually had any active ops on the air.

I cannot recall ever hearing a 4X4 station in QSO with a station from an "Arab" country. Do they all have such prohibitions?

 

Excellent advice!

 

I don't know how to say it more clearly - Neither I nor anyone else cares what Yemen allows or prohibits and neither does anyone object to ITC regulations - THAT'S NOT the issue!!!

That the ARRL accredits thereby tacitly condoning and fostering such an operation is the issue and AGAIN, there is no doubt they would act differently had Yemen prohibited communications with the U.S. - and YOU KNOW THAT~!

 

Where did anyone complain about how this expedition is run?????

I don't comprehend how some can so totally miss the point!

 

ARRL's standard is 1) do you have a valid license, 2) do you have landing permission/entry permission, 3) did you abide by the terms of the license? They're not going to pick apart the ins and outs of restrictions. This is the same reasoning as to why they will not grant DXCC status to Kosovo.

Again, if you feel so strongly about this, you should petition to have Mexico deleted from the DXCC list and any operations from Mexico disallowed because the Mexican communications authority forbids US hams from operating on contests or DXpeditions unless there is an equal number of Mexican hams present.

I await your demand letter...

 

A specious argument - the metaphor you choose is irrelevant to this issue.

That you phrase it as a "demand" letter is curious as though you would "demand" accreditation of any operation which excluded U.S. amateurs. Would you not?

 

You are out in left field, completely missing the point. You are talking about standards for a DXpedition.

I’m talking about standards for an entity to qualify for DXCC status or be disqualified. Once again and this is the point some just don’t understand, we are talking about the rules for a game. “Fair play is fair play”, that is all I am saying. If one person is denied the opportunity to score the point then it is only fair that no one else get it.
Again – The ARRL created the game, controls the list, and designs the rules of play. I believe the ARRL should say if you don’t allow equal opportunity to everyone across the world to earn the point, then you are not on the list. It’s all or nothing.


BTW: After reading some of the responses it appears that some people do not understand the concept of “Fair Play”. Have we really lost our moral compass, has honor and integrity completely left our society? When do we start doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do?

 

No, I am not missing the point at all. Yemen forbids contacts with 4X stations. Its part of their regulations. You would say discriminatory. Mexico forbids US hams from freely operating without the the presence of a Mexican ham. Its part of their regulations. How are you absolving one but then condemning another?

Prohibitions regarding contacting various countries have been around for years. In Southeast asia, in the middle east, etc.

Thats' right. Its their game and they already ruled on the matter.

 

How is it irrelevant? The licensing authority of both countries has set rules. Why are you condemning one but not the other?

 

I don't believe the ARRL is politicizing this Yemen operation at all. I don't think they even considered the political angle. As ARRL is not a political organization there was no reason for them to do so. They simply went by the established rules for recognizing a DX operation and made a decision based on that. Nothing more. It is several of the people on this board who are dragging politics in. You will not find a more ardent supporter of Israel than me, and I am furious that the Yemeni government has required 7O6T to refrain from contacting any Israeli stations. But it doesn't come as a surprise to me, and it shouldn't to you either. I'm sure our friends in 4X aren't surprised either and I am saddened that they are probably hearing S9+ signals from 7O6T but cannot work them. Perhaps someone from Israel is reading these posts and could chime in with their viewpoint. (I seem to recall a similar restriction with E4 operations, and I'm sure that if and when P5 returns to the air they will have restrictions - maybe even excluding US!)

If you're unhappy with Yemen for excluding Israel from communications with 7O stations, the ARRL is not the organization to complain to. The DXpedition members are not the group to complain to. Your government leaders, ambassadors and statesmen are the ones to complain to. They are the people who have the wherewithal to do something (if they so choose.) We all have our political views, but ham radio is NOT where they belong.

 

Resign then!!!! you will not be missed by the ARRL

 

But we are all bound by politics. I can't work P5 due to political reasons. Same for a host of other small island sanctuaries and shutoff countries.

But others have already worked them, THATS NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!

ARRL should dismiss all of the countries I have not worked because I cannot, my feelings are hurt.

Get a grip folks. That is the point of all of this. Some folks wait decades for the political climate of various countries to change so they can work them for credit. We are all waiting in the wings for P5.

Truthfully, instead of petitioning the ARRL, how about both of the countries play nice and send diplomats? What, you mean the countries involved don't care? Why must we bend a U.S. groups rules because two foreign entities can't get along?

If you don't want to work the Afghpakidia DXpedition because they won't work their rival enemies the POOPOnanynaysayers, why do you care? I don't show solidarity for most of these waring countries because I am sitting on the sideline,

I have never been and have no idea why they are even fighting,

It doesn't matter 1 single bit to me. Who cares!! I have bigger problems in our own country to worry about.

Heck, most of these places have hated each other for so long, they don't even know why. It is a generational thing that is bred in at this point. And the ARRL showing support for any single country could end up pissing off a dozen others which would cause folks here to whine even more.

Sorry 4Xers, I do feel for you. Those are the breaks and sometimes life isn't fair. Start a petition in your country and send a diplomatic team to Yemen and get this straightened out. That's all I can recommend.

Brad

 

complaining isn't action. what have you done to make it so Yemen allows contacts with Israel?

 

To reiterate again (redundant but necessary), it isn't he licensing authority - it's the accreditation for DXCC.

Using the tired P5 metaphor, NK doesn't preclude qsos with the U.S. but rather everyone. See???

 

Do you have some reasonable or logical response to the accreditation issue other than a personal attack?

By the way, the Mexico metaphor is not relevant as it only pertains to operator licensing; not at all related to the issue of ARRL accreditation for qsos. See now?