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  1. #1
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    Default ARRL OO Notices for JT65 Users

    Hello,

    In the past few months, several hams that are in groups that I frequent have received OO notices for "Bad Practices" on JT65

    I'm one of SC's Asst. Section Managers and I'm putting together a file that we are working on, if you have received an OO notice, I know you may not want to make it public, so if you would email me at paul@nn4f.com, with the reason for the note and the OO that issued the note, I can add it to our complaint....THIS ONLY FOR JT65 Operations...

    I will not make your details public unless you specify....

    Thanks, Paul - NN4F
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    Without specifics, what is going on in JT65 world?
    Leroy
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    Quote Originally Posted by WA4OTD View Post
    Without specifics, what is going on in JT65 world?
    Notices issued for items, that are not violations, one or two different OO's take on what should and shouldn't be sent...
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    I'm surprised the OO's would send a notice for this!

    Quote Originally Posted by NN4F View Post
    Notices issued for items, that are not violations, one or two different OO's take on what should and shouldn't be sent...
    Leroy
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    Good Lord, What could be so bad about the very small messages sent via JT65?

    Just for the masses, JT65 is used only to send signal reports in X number of dB and sometimes a 13 character macro. This is also done in a mode that considers 20 watts as "very high power". Usual wattage is ten watts or less.

    That's it.

    If someone is getting their panties in a wad over JT65 transmission, they either have a screw loose (most likely) or they have some other agenda.

    Which is it?

    Inquiring minds want to know, furthermore, who are these "groups" that are targeted?

    If you're gonna air a bit of dirty laundry, air it all.

    73 Gary

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    I really don't get this, maybe some more explanation is needed.
    When it's time, it's time, and it maybe sooner than you think.

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    We have had OO notices sent for Non-ID at the end of transmission, when in fact a CW ID was sent, and some that tell that the signal was too wide on JT65, where improper measuring tools were used to name but a few.

    I'm just trying to find out how widespread the issue goes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WG7X View Post
    Good Lord, What could be so bad about the very small messages sent via JT65?

    Just for the masses, JT65 is used only to send signal reports in X number of dB and sometimes a 13 character macro. This is also done in a mode that considers 20 watts as "very high power". Usual wattage is ten watts or less.

    That's it.

    If someone is getting their panties in a wad over JT65 transmission, they either have a screw loose (most likely) or they have some other agenda.

    Which is it?

    Inquiring minds want to know, furthermore, who are these "groups" that are targeted?

    If you're gonna air a bit of dirty laundry, air it all.

    73 Gary
    Gary, just some groups of ops on Facebook and Yahoo... nothing major, but they are starting to add up.

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    Default ok ill speak up

    I got one. Pardon any typos I'm doing this mobile.

    So I got one off a q I worked with get this an oo. I admit I ended the q by sending the default lite pseud tu73 msg, and the PO listed non I'd as the reason.

    First I thought oo's wernt supposed to get involved in things they have an interest in, and secondly after getting the notice I double checked my settings and the cw Id was on. So I WA like um what did I so wrong?

    Second, I found it funny to get a notice before a qsl . Isn't the final courtesy a qsl? Not an oo notice? Strangest qsl ever.

    Theirs the tone of the notice just came off wrong. An oo notice requires no reply per the form. Yet this oo 'asked' MD to email additional details.

    Just all struck me as odd.
    -Tom

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    OK... This sounds like a problem with the "Official Observer" program.

    Maybe they, as a group, need remedial training? In order for them to be taken seriously their reports need to be above reproach.

    Sounds like that is not happening.

    73 Gary

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